On Thu, Aug 14, 2025 at 12:23:26PM -0400, Christopher Morrow via NANOG wrote:
On Thu, Aug 14, 2025 at 11:16 AM Marco Moock via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
On 14.08.2025 10:41 Jared Mauch via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Is there anyone at Google that is able to address the ongoing abuse problems that are coming out of your services like classroom, groups and otherwise?
(with the caveat that i don't know anything about classroom, or groups really, but had walked down this path with reader back-when)
The problem(s) from jared's original mail SOUND like a broken thing in some services that PROBABLY tried to provide protections, those either missed the mark or work broken along some timeline... and maybe need some attention to fix/course-correct.
yeah, i think there's a subtle thing here where the expectation is that someone will be willing to opt-in or add *all* the addresses that may end up in their mailbox, while i as postmaster need some way to say "hey these well-formatted list-like things maybe shouldn't be put on lists/groups/whatnot on your side"
It is a well know issue of a company named Google that supports spammers.
It took months months until they switched of Google Groups Newsgroups It was being flooded with millions of spam posts and nobody took action.
Google wants it that way.
I don't think this is accurate.
I agree, hence the note, but I think there's an element of this is a weird corner case that needs some [minor] attention to improve things. I may one day need access to google classroom, but not in the role/nature that I'm getting the mails today, and I don't want to toss all of google to /dev/null. This also isn't quite a google only problem, I see the same thing from outlook/o365/hotmail but to a lesser extent. YMMV. - Jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.