On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 04:57:47PM -0500, Greg A. Woods wrote:
[[ Sorry folks, but because Jay is being stupid, I'm going to be stupid too. ]]
<ahem> Apologies to all; you know how procmail works; that's why I changed the subject line.
[[ at least I set the Reply-To: !!! ]]
Yes, to an address I can't get to. Thank you so much.
[ On Monday, January 29, 2001 at 10:33:34 (-0500), Jay R. Ashworth wrote: ]
Subject: Re: Greg, you're tryin' too hard
If a A record with no MX record was A Bad Thing, sendmail, postfix, and M-Sexchange would no doubt have quit delivering to them years ago.
Postfix, Exim, *and* Smail all include the ability to do identical (or at least very similar) checks on the SMTP protocol commands and parameters.
I was discussing default configurations, obviously. But you've yet to justify why an A record isn't enough to deliver mail.
Folks like me who don't like spam yet seem to get a lot of it targetted at them (and/or their domain -- it was a good idea at the time, before the Internet took off! :-), are entirely likely to enable those checks, which means folks who don't pay attention to the details in their mailer and DNS configurations will lose.
I don't *do* the mailer configurations for the Freenet; I'm a Usenet guy.
I don't care if one or two people can't send me e-mail so long as the majority works (and let me tell you, the majority certainly works!) -- that's their problem, not mine.
Well, no, it' doesn't work that way. If you can't justify it under the published standards, then it doesn't *matter* what quantity of connections it breaks, it is *still* broken. Period. End of report.
Unless your mailer is listed in one of the RBLs, I'm not going to permanently block your e-mail if you're willing to fix your configurations.
I would be willing to trouble the guy whose job that is if you presented any reasonable evidence that there is "fixing" necessary; ie: that there's anything "broken". To date, I have seen no unequivocal evidence that this is so.
BTW, Greg: On my carbons to your two other addresses? The envelope addresses *weren't* *mine*: you were being overly picky on the *body* *address*. [ British cuss word elided to make Merit happy ]
That would be magic beyond my capabilities since my mailer cannot look in the body of the message (at least not yet).
*Excuse me*? An MTA that can't look in the body of a message? Can I have a hit, too?
If you're getting bounces from my mailer when you 'CC' another of my addresses then it's because your SMTP envelope sender address is bogus. Fix it. I'm not even going to bother looking in my logs to see just how bogus it is and recommend a way to fix it.
I CC'd all three of them; the envelope addresses on your planix and acm forwards should be *those machines* addresses. If they're not, then something *is* broken, and it's not within my power to fix. No? You know, I hate this sort of situation. I have two choices: shut up, fail to defend my opinion, and hope everyone realized the problem is yours... or reply in the only manner you've carefully limited me to, and annoy everyone. Thanks, Greg. I really appreciate it. I've gotten read off by Susan over you twice already, too. I knew that I shouldn't have bothered to reply to your original message. I knew it. Document your assertions, chapter and verse, or don't bother to reply to this message, 'k? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015