Down under NANOG: Telstra problems and root servers
In addition the the previously reported cable cut, several folks have written about a fire at an electrical substation cut power for much of eastern Sydney, the location of a major Telstra server facility. As far as I can tell, the fire had little affect on Telstra's servers because backup generators were in place. Although Telstra is the dominant ISP (and telephone company) in Australia, there are other ISPs using other facilities which were not affected by the cable cut. So, if a root server was placed in Australia, to whom's network should it be attached. Would OPTUS and Telstra cooperate and jointly provide connectivity and diversity? Or is the most connected place in the asia-pacific region still the west coast of the US?
On 21 Nov 2000, Sean Donelan wrote:
In addition the the previously reported cable cut, several folks have written about a fire at an electrical substation cut power for much of eastern Sydney, the location of a major Telstra server facility. As far as I can tell, the fire had little affect on Telstra's servers because backup generators were in place.
Although Telstra is the dominant ISP (and telephone company) in Australia, there are other ISPs using other facilities which were not affected by the cable cut.
So, if a root server was placed in Australia, to whom's network should it be attached. Would OPTUS and Telstra cooperate and jointly provide connectivity and diversity? Or is the most connected place in the asia-pacific region still the west coast of the US?
Not speaking for my employer (one of the 'other ISPs'), I expect that with the way things are set up here currently, that some independent group that ran it under contract (to whom?) and multi-homed to major ISPs, probably located in Sydney, although there is (or should I say was ;-) a fair bit of international connectivity out of Perth, would be the most likely outcome. -- Chris Chaundy (Director - Network Services) connect.com.au pty ltd, Level 9, 114 Albert Rd, Sth Melbourne, VIC 3205, Aust. Internet: chris@connect.com.au Phone: +61 3 9251-3671 Fax: +61 3 9251-3666
On 21 Nov 2000, Sean Donelan wrote:
So, if a root server was placed in Australia, to whom's network should it be attached. Would OPTUS and Telstra cooperate and jointly provide connectivity and diversity? Or is the most connected place in the asia-pacific region still the west coast of the US?
Depends. Japan & HongKong are pretty well connected and there are a number of other reasonably well connected places in SEA. And the past rule set seemed to call out for root servers to be placed "one hop off a public exchange" and run by a neutral party. Hence "M" is run by the Wide project off NSPIXP-n and "K" is run by RIPE off LINX. One might expect that -IF- a server was to become available and Oz was to actually acceed to hosting a server, that it would be one hop off an exchange, say WAIX or SYD-BONE and run by... say APNIC. In the past, Telstra has not been willing to host a root server. --bill
One might expect that -IF- a server was to become available and Oz was to actually acceed to hosting a server, that it would be one hop off an exchange, say WAIX or SYD-BONE and run by... say APNIC. In the past, Telstra has not been willing to host a root server. APNIC running it is a good idea but locating it a WAIX or SYD-BONE isn't. Mark.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Mark Prior wrote:
One might expect that -IF- a server was to become available and Oz was to actually acceed to hosting a server, that it would be one hop off an exchange, say WAIX or SYD-BONE and run by... say APNIC. In the past, Telstra has not been willing to host a root server.
APNIC running it is a good idea but locating it a WAIX or SYD-BONE isn't.
Agreed, we're indirectly connected to Ausbone (SIX) and well under 10% of domestic traffic in Aus goes that way. Info for US based people: Well over 90% of the Internet connected people/business are connected via the Big 3 ( Telstra, Optus, Connect.com) or via an ISP that only uses one of those. The Big3 make a substantial bit of revenue via interconnect changing ( ~5cents $US per Megabyte ). In order to protect this revenue the do not participate (AFAIK) in any exchanges such as AusBone. This pretty much means the exchanges only act as secondary connects for the 2nd tier Australian providers. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall@ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon@darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz
With Telstra down at least some of the spam content from .au will be temporarily reduced. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Sean Donelan Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:21 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Down under NANOG: Telstra problems and root servers In addition the the previously reported cable cut, several folks have written about a fire at an electrical substation cut power for much of eastern Sydney, the location of a major Telstra server facility. As far as I can tell, the fire had little affect on Telstra's servers because backup generators were in place. Although Telstra is the dominant ISP (and telephone company) in Australia, there are other ISPs using other facilities which were not affected by the cable cut. So, if a root server was placed in Australia, to whom's network should it be attached. Would OPTUS and Telstra cooperate and jointly provide connectivity and diversity? Or is the most connected place in the asia-pacific region still the west coast of the US?
No one mentions that Southern Cross has just come on stream, so I'd expect the current situation of apparently poor international connectivity to Australia to improve over the next year or so. As Chris Chaundy said, the way forward is if some independent group (e.g./i.e. APNIC) ran the root server, if it were to be available, and multihomed to the providers who had their own independent international connections to the US and the rest of AsiaPac. philip -- At 14:20 21/11/00 -0800, Sean Donelan wrote:
In addition the the previously reported cable cut, several folks have written about a fire at an electrical substation cut power for much of eastern Sydney, the location of a major Telstra server facility. As far as I can tell, the fire had little affect on Telstra's servers because backup generators were in place.
Although Telstra is the dominant ISP (and telephone company) in Australia, there are other ISPs using other facilities which were not affected by the cable cut.
So, if a root server was placed in Australia, to whom's network should it be attached. Would OPTUS and Telstra cooperate and jointly provide connectivity and diversity? Or is the most connected place in the asia-pacific region still the west coast of the US?
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