On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 12:46:04PM -0600, Pete Ashdown wrote:
What follows is a list I compiled of organizations at PAIX who peer without restrictions. Restrictions are "requirements" like nationwide [...]
Organization IP address AS# Email contact
AboveNet 198.32.176.11 6461 noc@above.net Exodus 198.32.176.15 3967 peering@exodus.net Global Crossing 198.32.176.29 3549 peering@gblx.net
These are the only large service provider networks I see listed. AboveNet would probably peer with a bum on the street outside PAIX if he could speak BGP, but AFAIK GBLX's requirements were at least 3 locations and bi-costal at a minimium. If I remember correctly Exodus is also slightly picky about its "ghetto peers", probably falling somewhere the middle of the other two. The rest of the list seems to basically fall into the categories of other "tier 2" regionals (Hurricane Electric, Maxim, etc), content looking for a way to save money on their transit bill (Hotmail, EA, etc), Asian networks who have a circuit to the US but aren't willing to cross it and will take any peers they can get (SingTel, KDD, etc), and misc small networks with little overwhelming value. Seems almost all the larger service providers are requiring at least bi-costal these days. You also missed a couple of the email contacts, abov is peering@ and lightning is not noc@cp.net :P -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Richard A. Steenbergen wrote:
These are the only large service provider networks I see listed. AboveNet would probably peer with a bum on the street outside PAIX if he could speak BGP, but AFAIK GBLX's requirements were at least 3 locations and bi-costal at a minimium. If I remember correctly Exodus is also slightly picky about its "ghetto peers", probably falling somewhere the middle of the other two.
come on richard... you know that Exodus has an open peering policy... :) of course, exodus has all their peering information online http://bengi.exodus.net/external/peering.html
Seems almost all the larger service providers are requiring at least bi-costal these days.
which isnt that much of a big deal today. x-country oc3s are what, 10k per month now? Christian
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Christian Nielsen wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Richard A. Steenbergen wrote:
These are the only large service provider networks I see listed. AboveNet would probably peer with a bum on the street outside PAIX if he could speak BGP, but AFAIK GBLX's requirements were at least 3 locations and bi-costal at a minimium. If I remember correctly Exodus is also slightly picky about its "ghetto peers", probably falling somewhere the middle of the other two.
come on richard... you know that Exodus has an open peering policy... :)
Peering sluts?
Seems almost all the larger service providers are requiring at least bi-costal these days.
which isnt that much of a big deal today. x-country oc3s are what, 10k per month now?
And GRE is free... A lesson a couple of those bicostal peers on that list have taught us. :P -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
One thing I want to add to this thread for ISP Peering Coordinators is a plug for the Peering Contact Database (PCD). The Peering Contact Database is a directory of ISP Peering Coordinators that started at the 1st Peering BOF at NANOG 17 in Montreal. See slides at http://www.nanog.org/mtg-9910/peering.html Peering Coordinators that toss in their business cards (or virtually provide their contact info) get added to the PCD and as a side effect get a copy of the Peering Contact Database about every 6 weeks. The intent is to help folks (and there are a lot of them) that need to get peering contact information to initiate the process. During the my peering research getting this initial contact information turned out to be a real challenge. I would also point out that this is a small community service project that is not affiliated with my work at Equinix. If (and only if) you are an ISP Peering Coordinator and would like to participate, please send e-mail to wbn@wbnorton.org and I'll return a copy of the PCD template to fill out. Thanks and hope this helps! Bill At 04:03 PM 6/28/2001 -0400, Richard A. Steenbergen wrote:
come on richard... you know that Exodus has an open peering policy... :)
I have a quick question for the group. Has anyone attempted to keep a compiled list of major exchange points (incl. NAPs) and their members? The information seems to be, by and large, freely available at each EP website, but as far as I've seen each peering coordinator compiles his own list of potential peers. I've just been doing this myself, and it occurs to me that dozens of others must have gone through the same effort. Anyone have any information on such a list? - Jeb Linton
I have a quick question for the group.
Has anyone attempted to keep a compiled list of major exchange points (incl. NAPs) and their members? The information seems to be, by and large, freely available at each EP website, but as far as I've seen each peering coordinator compiles his own list of potential peers. I've just been doing this myself, and it occurs to me that dozens of others must have gone through the same effort.
Anyone have any information on such a list?
- Jeb Linton
Bill Norton has his peering coordinator list. If you are at one of these exchanges, there is a nifty tool to check the registered contact. --bill
Yes, Mr. Norton's email and his process work was what made me wonder about this. I figured that whether one uses his formal decision tree or an informal process, we're all scrambling around for the same data to make the smae decisions. If no one is aware of a list of members by EP to go with the list of Peering Coordinators, I'll try to put something into a sharable form. Might end up being useful for choosing which EPs to go into as well as where to go to peer with someone. - Jeb
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:32 AM To: jeblinton@corp.earthlink.net Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Exchange Point member lists
I have a quick question for the group.
Has anyone attempted to keep a compiled list of major
exchange points (incl.
NAPs) and their members? The information seems to be, by and large, freely available at each EP website, but as far as I've seen each peering coordinator compiles his own list of potential peers. I've just been doing this myself, and it occurs to me that dozens of others must have gone through the same effort.
Anyone have any information on such a list?
- Jeb Linton
Bill Norton has his peering coordinator list. If you are at one of these exchanges, there is a nifty tool to check the registered contact.
--bill
Have a look at http://www.euro-ix.net/cgi-bin/dbspace/publicdb.cgi . Here you might find information about ISPs connected to european IXP. Regards, Arnold --- name: Arnold Nipper org: DE-CIX, the German Internet Exchange mail: arnold.nipper@de-cix.net phone: +49 172 2650958 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeb R. Linton" <jeblinton@corp.earthlink.net> To: <bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com> Cc: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: RE: Exchange Point member lists
Yes, Mr. Norton's email and his process work was what made me wonder about this. I figured that whether one uses his formal decision tree or an informal process, we're all scrambling around for the same data to make
the
smae decisions.
If no one is aware of a list of members by EP to go with the list of Peering Coordinators, I'll try to put something into a sharable form. Might end up being useful for choosing which EPs to go into as well as where to go to peer with someone.
- Jeb
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:32 AM To: jeblinton@corp.earthlink.net Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Exchange Point member lists
I have a quick question for the group.
Has anyone attempted to keep a compiled list of major
exchange points (incl.
NAPs) and their members? The information seems to be, by and large, freely available at each EP website, but as far as I've seen each peering coordinator compiles his own list of potential peers. I've just been doing this myself, and it occurs to me that dozens of others must have gone through the same effort.
Anyone have any information on such a list?
- Jeb Linton
Bill Norton has his peering coordinator list. If you are at one of these exchanges, there is a nifty tool to check the registered contact.
--bill
* Richard A. Steenbergen (ras@e-gerbil.net) [010628 13:24] writeth:
AboveNet 198.32.176.11 6461 noc@above.net Exodus 198.32.176.15 3967 peering@exodus.net Global Crossing 198.32.176.29 3549 peering@gblx.net
These are the only large service provider networks I see listed. AboveNet would probably peer with a bum on the street outside PAIX if he could speak BGP, but AFAIK GBLX's requirements were at least 3 locations and bi-costal at a minimium. If I remember correctly Exodus is also slightly picky about its "ghetto peers", probably falling somewhere the middle of the other two.
I was incorrect to list Global Crossing. Again, the list I presented is based on my experience. I am just as willing to remove information as I am to add or correct it. Global Crossing has been removed. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused.
The rest of the list seems to basically fall into the categories of other "tier 2" regionals (Hurricane Electric, Maxim, etc), content looking for a way to save money on their transit bill (Hotmail, EA, etc), Asian networks who have a circuit to the US but aren't willing to cross it and will take any peers they can get (SingTel, KDD, etc), and misc small networks with little overwhelming value.
It was neither a cheap nor an easy proposition for us to get our router into PAIX. In fact, its probably the most expensive bandwidth I run since the DS3 is way under utilized. The main reason I did it was to reduce network distance to major peers. My only wish is that peering at all exchanges was more open, as it increases their usefulness. Finding another peering point where I can get 20+ willing peers like PAIX is a struggle.
Seems almost all the larger service providers are requiring at least bi-costal these days.
I may be able to extend our network into the east coast in 2002. However, as stated previously, peering requirements are a moving target. Once I can afford a DS3 to the east, I'm sure that I'll have to deal with new peering requirements that are just as hard to overcome.
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Pete Ashdown wrote:
It was neither a cheap nor an easy proposition for us to get our router into PAIX. In fact, its probably the most expensive bandwidth I run since the DS3 is way under utilized. The main reason I did it was to reduce network distance to major peers. My only wish is that peering at all exchanges was more open, as it increases their usefulness. Finding another peering point where I can get 20+ willing peers like PAIX is a struggle.
if and when paix links to mae-west-ames, you can get a link to the FDDI exchange. there is always PBNap and MAE-WEST-ATM (tho I dont know the costs) Christian
I'm not sure that's a simple question. Actually, relatively few peers require "bi-costal" connectivity. Most require 3-5 geographically diverse connections. Some actually have "zone maps", indicating areas where you must have at least one connection per zone. Others are happy with one eastern, one central, and one western connections. - Dan
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Pete Kruckenberg Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:19 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Open Peers at PAIX
Seems almost all the larger service providers are requiring at least bi-costal these days.
Who would be added to this list if you had bi-costal connectivity, with bi-costal being so inexpensive now?
Pete.
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