Has anyone else seen this kind of thing before? 2 Extreme Black Diamond 6804s (ExtremeWare 7.2.0b37) at the core (active/standby) start to fight over which of them is master for a particular VLAN. They go back and forth for maybe a minute, and for a brief period, the master switch seems to fight with itself over which will cede master status. The log messages indicate either high/low port count, or high/low priority, for that particular vlan. ESRP then forces access switches hanging off the cores to flush their forwarding databases. All activity takes place within a span of just over a minute, then dies. Extreme doesn't have anything to report yet. Just wondering if anyone has seen behavior like this in an Extreme environment. Thanks, Andy --- Andy Grosser andy [at] meniscus {dot} org ---
We have a pair of cisco 7204VXR routers connecting to STFI receiving market data. At peak periods micro-bursts of unicast and multicast data overrun the Ethernet fifo buffer due to the 7200 being a cpu based router. A 7600 router would be a good replacement but it isn't cost effective. We need BGP, rip, pim multicast and netflow. Since the connections are all metro Ethernet, Cisco has suggested looking at the 3750 switch platform that does BGP since all of the packets are hardware switched, but it doesn't due L3 netflow. I've been doing cisco for too long and was wondering what the cost effective options are with other vendors or even other possible cisco solutions. ---- Matthew Huff | One Manhattanville Rd OTA Management LLC | Purchase, NY 10577 www.ox.com | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-460-4139
Hi Matthew, The Juniper J6350 boxes are both cost effective and are claimed to do line 2Gbit/s of IMIX traffic I think. We've several deployed between multitple DCs in Dublin and a load of J4350 at different layers. Stick 2GB of ram into each one and they'll go a long way. Paul Paul Kelly Technical Director Blacknight Internet Solutions ltd Hosting, Colocation, Dedicated servers IP Transit Services Tel: +353 (0) 59 9183072 Lo-call: 1850 929 929 DDI: +353 (0) 59 9183091 e-mail: paul@blacknight.ie web: http://www.blacknight.ie Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park, Sleaty Road, Graiguecullen, Carlow, Ireland Company No.: 370845
-----Original Message----- From: Matthew Huff [mailto:mhuff@ox.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:21 PM To: 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: Line rate gigabit router/switch options
We have a pair of cisco 7204VXR routers connecting to STFI receiving market data. At peak periods micro-bursts of unicast and multicast data overrun the Ethernet fifo buffer due to the 7200 being a cpu based router. A 7600 router would be a good replacement but it isn't cost effective. We need BGP, rip, pim multicast and netflow. Since the connections are all metro Ethernet, Cisco has suggested looking at the 3750 switch platform that does BGP since all of the packets are hardware switched, but it doesn't due L3 netflow. I've been doing cisco for too long and was wondering what the cost effective options are with other vendors or even other possible cisco solutions.
---- Matthew Huff | One Manhattanville Rd OTA Management LLC | Purchase, NY 10577 www.ox.com | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-460-4139
We currently have 7204VXRs with the NGE-G1 controller. That's rated at 1Gbit/s and we aren't running that high yet. What we are running into is micro-bursts that overrun the ethernet's fifo buffer due to the cpu routing (even though it's CEF based and cisco has verified the configuration). We need something that is hardware switched such as the cisco 7600/6500 or the Foundry line as some have pointed out. As far as our netflow requirements are, we need to be able to determine average line rates for different protocols/ and different multicast channels (not realtime). We use Fluke Network's NetFlow Tracker and it works with sFlow, IPFIX, Netflow and other netflow like protocols, so it looks like almost any of the hardware suggested will work. ---- Matthew Huff | One Manhattanville Rd OTA Management LLC | Purchase, NY 10577 www.otaotr.com | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-460-4139 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Kelly :: Blacknight [mailto:paul@blacknight.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:03 PM To: Matthew Huff; 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: RE: Line rate gigabit router/switch options Hi Matthew, The Juniper J6350 boxes are both cost effective and are claimed to do line 2Gbit/s of IMIX traffic I think. We've several deployed between multitple DCs in Dublin and a load of J4350 at different layers. Stick 2GB of ram into each one and they'll go a long way. Paul Paul Kelly Technical Director Blacknight Internet Solutions ltd Hosting, Colocation, Dedicated servers IP Transit Services Tel: +353 (0) 59 9183072 Lo-call: 1850 929 929 DDI: +353 (0) 59 9183091 e-mail: paul@blacknight.ie web: http://www.blacknight.ie Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park, Sleaty Road, Graiguecullen, Carlow, Ireland Company No.: 370845
-----Original Message----- From: Matthew Huff [mailto:mhuff@ox.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:21 PM To: 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: Line rate gigabit router/switch options
We have a pair of cisco 7204VXR routers connecting to STFI receiving market data. At peak periods micro-bursts of unicast and multicast data overrun the Ethernet fifo buffer due to the 7200 being a cpu based router. A 7600 router would be a good replacement but it isn't cost effective. We need BGP, rip, pim multicast and netflow. Since the connections are all metro Ethernet, Cisco has suggested looking at the 3750 switch platform that does BGP since all of the packets are hardware switched, but it doesn't due L3 netflow. I've been doing cisco for too long and was wondering what the cost effective options are with other vendors or even other possible cisco solutions.
---- Matthew Huff | One Manhattanville Rd OTA Management LLC | Purchase, NY 10577 www.ox.com | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-460-4139
What about a 6524 switch? Or a Juniper EX 4200? On 7/17/08 4:10 PM, "Matthew Huff" <mhuff@ox.com> wrote:
We currently have 7204VXRs with the NGE-G1 controller. That's rated at 1Gbit/s and we aren't running that high yet. What we are running into is micro-bursts that overrun the ethernet's fifo buffer due to the cpu routing (even though it's CEF based and cisco has verified the configuration). We need something that is hardware switched such as the cisco 7600/6500 or the Foundry line as some have pointed out.
As far as our netflow requirements are, we need to be able to determine average line rates for different protocols/ and different multicast channels (not realtime). We use Fluke Network's NetFlow Tracker and it works with sFlow, IPFIX, Netflow and other netflow like protocols, so it looks like almost any of the hardware suggested will work.
---- Matthew Huff | One Manhattanville Rd OTA Management LLC | Purchase, NY 10577 www.otaotr.com | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-460-4139
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Kelly :: Blacknight [mailto:paul@blacknight.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:03 PM To: Matthew Huff; 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: RE: Line rate gigabit router/switch options
Hi Matthew,
The Juniper J6350 boxes are both cost effective and are claimed to do line 2Gbit/s of IMIX traffic I think.
We've several deployed between multitple DCs in Dublin and a load of J4350 at different layers. Stick 2GB of ram into each one and they'll go a long way.
Paul
Paul Kelly Technical Director Blacknight Internet Solutions ltd Hosting, Colocation, Dedicated servers IP Transit Services Tel: +353 (0) 59 9183072 Lo-call: 1850 929 929 DDI: +353 (0) 59 9183091
e-mail: paul@blacknight.ie web: http://www.blacknight.ie
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park, Sleaty Road, Graiguecullen, Carlow, Ireland
Company No.: 370845
-----Original Message----- From: Matthew Huff [mailto:mhuff@ox.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:21 PM To: 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: Line rate gigabit router/switch options
We have a pair of cisco 7204VXR routers connecting to STFI receiving market data. At peak periods micro-bursts of unicast and multicast data overrun the Ethernet fifo buffer due to the 7200 being a cpu based router. A 7600 router would be a good replacement but it isn't cost effective. We need BGP, rip, pim multicast and netflow. Since the connections are all metro Ethernet, Cisco has suggested looking at the 3750 switch platform that does BGP since all of the packets are hardware switched, but it doesn't due L3 netflow. I've been doing cisco for too long and was wondering what the cost effective options are with other vendors or even other possible cisco solutions.
---- Matthew Huff | One Manhattanville Rd OTA Management LLC | Purchase, NY 10577 www.ox.com | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-460-4139
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:17:12 -0400 From: "Brant I. Stevens" <branto@branto.com>
What about a 6524 switch? Or a Juniper EX 4200?
6524? Sounds like a bit of overkill to me. As far as the EX4200, it might do the job in a bit, but, as of the latest JunOS release, too many features are supported for us to use them as full-function routers. Maybe in a release or two (late this year), they will be ready. The hardware is most impressive. Note that they will not handle full routes. I believe that they do about 12K routes, so they may be fine for you application. They do all of the "standard" protocols, but they don't so MPLS yet. I'm not quite sure when this will make it into JunOS. I'm quite impressed with the potential of this box and, as a layer 2 switch, they run very well. Just some serious limitations for layer 3. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751
If you don't need a full table or 10G, a sup32 6503 chassis bundle is very affordable. 8 sfp and 1 copper port for about 9k after discount. - Original message -
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:17:12 -0400 > From: "Brant I. Stevens" <bra...
On 7/17/08, Kevin Oberman <oberman@es.net> wrote:
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:17:12 -0400 From: "Brant I. Stevens" <branto@branto.com>
What about a 6524 switch? Or a Juniper EX 4200?
6524? Sounds like a bit of overkill to me.
As far as the EX4200, it might do the job in a bit, but, as of the latest JunOS release, too many features are supported for us to use them as full-function routers. Maybe in a release or two (late this year), they will be ready. The hardware is most impressive.
Note that they will not handle full routes. I believe that they do about 12K routes, so they may be fine for you application. They do all of the "standard" protocols, but they don't so MPLS yet. I'm not quite sure when this will make it into JunOS.
I'm quite impressed with the potential of this box and, as a layer 2 switch, they run very well. Just some serious limitations for layer 3. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751
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I think a J series would be the way to go as well. Even the 4350 claims 1Gbps+ forwarding. To give you an idea of cost, a J4350 will list about $5k J6350 will list about $10.5k. The 8-port GigE PIMs list at $1800 per, 16-port GigE PIM (dual height) at $3000. Of course, those are list prices... M On Jul 17, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Paul Kelly :: Blacknight wrote:
Hi Matthew,
The Juniper J6350 boxes are both cost effective and are claimed to do line 2Gbit/s of IMIX traffic I think.
We've several deployed between multitple DCs in Dublin and a load of J4350 at different layers. Stick 2GB of ram into each one and they'll go a long way.
Paul
Paul Kelly Technical Director Blacknight Internet Solutions ltd Hosting, Colocation, Dedicated servers IP Transit Services Tel: +353 (0) 59 9183072 Lo-call: 1850 929 929 DDI: +353 (0) 59 9183091
e-mail: paul@blacknight.ie web: http://www.blacknight.ie
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park, Sleaty Road, Graiguecullen, Carlow, Ireland
Company No.: 370845
-----Original Message----- From: Matthew Huff [mailto:mhuff@ox.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:21 PM To: 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: Line rate gigabit router/switch options
We have a pair of cisco 7204VXR routers connecting to STFI receiving market data. At peak periods micro-bursts of unicast and multicast data overrun the Ethernet fifo buffer due to the 7200 being a cpu based router. A 7600 router would be a good replacement but it isn't cost effective. We need BGP, rip, pim multicast and netflow. Since the connections are all metro Ethernet, Cisco has suggested looking at the 3750 switch platform that does BGP since all of the packets are hardware switched, but it doesn't due L3 netflow. I've been doing cisco for too long and was wondering what the cost effective options are with other vendors or even other possible cisco solutions.
---- Matthew Huff | One Manhattanville Rd OTA Management LLC | Purchase, NY 10577 www.ox.com | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-460-4139
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