RE: Site elimination service -:) - I received offer by 's'p'a'm'
Alexei Roudnev wrote: I received adv., in russian, saying: Dear sirs. We are glad to you to give qualitative service, on elimination of sites. We can kill any site by our attack, which have name 'DDos attack'. The prices at us low, 60 dollars for 6 hours.
This could be useful to evaluate mitigation gear: setup your own target server on a fat pipe, get the vendor to loan you the mitigation gear then pay 60 bucks to see if it really does mitigate something... You'll only see one set of zombies, but 60 bucks is pretty darn cheap. Michel.
Ooo, a great idea. As a result - $60 for QA, plus a chance to catch a criminal -:). Just as _want to test network IDS - set up IRC, join it into EFNet, and here you are_. Generally speaking, I think it deserves attention (this adv.). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Py" <michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us> To: "Alexei Roudnev" <alex@relcom.net>; "Nanog@Nanog. Org" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: RE: Site elimination service -:) - I received offer by 's'p'a'm'
Alexei Roudnev wrote: I received adv., in russian, saying: Dear sirs. We are glad to you to give qualitative service, on elimination of sites. We can kill any site by our attack, which have name 'DDos attack'. The prices at us low, 60 dollars for 6 hours.
This could be useful to evaluate mitigation gear: setup your own target server on a fat pipe, get the vendor to loan you the mitigation gear then pay 60 bucks to see if it really does mitigate something... You'll only see one set of zombies, but 60 bucks is pretty darn cheap. Michel.
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
Ooo, a great idea. As a result - $60 for QA, plus a chance to catch a criminal -:). Just as _want to test network IDS - set up IRC, join it into EFNet, and here you are_.
Generally speaking, I think it deserves attention (this adv.).
You're assuming that this is something very new, but it has been going on for long time on irc. If you knew right channel you can find people quite willing to DoS somebody else for $$. That it moved to spam is unusual for their types, but if you remember how many DoS attacks had been happening to anti-spam sites and services, it is clear that spammers did pay some of these criminals to do it. Probably the person responsible for this spam is kind of middle-person who had been arranging things like this. One note is it could be interesting to know how many emails like that had been sent and how targeted the audience may have been. -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net
Of course, this is not new on IRC, but it is new in SPAM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "william(at)elan.net" <william@elan.net> To: "Alexei Roudnev" <alex@relcom.net> Cc: "Michel Py" <michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>; "Nanog@Nanog. Org" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: Re: Site elimination service -:) - I received offer by 's'p'a'm'
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
Ooo, a great idea. As a result - $60 for QA, plus a chance to catch a criminal -:). Just as _want to test network IDS - set up IRC, join it
into
EFNet, and here you are_.
Generally speaking, I think it deserves attention (this adv.).
You're assuming that this is something very new, but it has been going on for long time on irc. If you knew right channel you can find people quite willing to DoS somebody else for $$. That it moved to spam is unusual for their types, but if you remember how many DoS attacks had been happening to anti-spam sites and services, it is clear that spammers did pay some of these criminals to do it. Probably the person responsible for this spam is kind of middle-person who had been arranging things like this.
One note is it could be interesting to know how many emails like that had been sent and how targeted the audience may have been.
-- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net
Well, somehow I don't think this would be the kind of spam product/service they can sell well to make it worth sending typical 100 million emails. The kind of people who want this are already spammers and similar criminal cround, and while offering of DoS service would probably continue, it'd likely be done on the specialized forums. That is why I asked how targeted do you think that email was... On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
Of course, this is not new on IRC, but it is new in SPAM.
----- Original Message ----- From: "william(at)elan.net" <william@elan.net> To: "Alexei Roudnev" <alex@relcom.net> Cc: "Michel Py" <michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>; "Nanog@Nanog. Org" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: Re: Site elimination service -:) - I received offer by 's'p'a'm'
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
Ooo, a great idea. As a result - $60 for QA, plus a chance to catch a criminal -:). Just as _want to test network IDS - set up IRC, join it
into
EFNet, and here you are_.
Generally speaking, I think it deserves attention (this adv.).
You're assuming that this is something very new, but it has been going on for long time on irc. If you knew right channel you can find people quite willing to DoS somebody else for $$. That it moved to spam is unusual for their types, but if you remember how many DoS attacks had been happening to anti-spam sites and services, it is clear that spammers did pay some of these criminals to do it. Probably the person responsible for this spam is kind of middle-person who had been arranging things like this.
One note is it could be interesting to know how many emails like that had been sent and how targeted the audience may have been.
-- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net
Well, somehow I don't think this would be the kind of spam product/service they can sell well to make it worth sending typical 100 million emails. The kind of people who want this are already spammers and similar criminal cround, and while offering of DoS service would probably continue, it'd likely be done on the specialized forums. That is why I asked how targeted do you think that email was...
It is difficult to answer... at least, it come to e-mail used in nanog and other _network related_ messages, not onto my _consulers_ e-mail.
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
Of course, this is not new on IRC, but it is new in SPAM.
----- Original Message ----- From: "william(at)elan.net" <william@elan.net> To: "Alexei Roudnev" <alex@relcom.net> Cc: "Michel Py" <michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>; "Nanog@Nanog. Org" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: Re: Site elimination service -:) - I received offer by
's'p'a'm'
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
Ooo, a great idea. As a result - $60 for QA, plus a chance to catch
a
criminal -:). Just as _want to test network IDS - set up IRC, join it into EFNet, and here you are_.
Generally speaking, I think it deserves attention (this adv.).
You're assuming that this is something very new, but it has been going on for long time on irc. If you knew right channel you can find people quite willing to DoS somebody else for $$. That it moved to spam is unusual for their types, but if you remember how many DoS attacks had been happening to anti-spam sites and services, it is clear that spammers did pay some of these criminals to do it. Probably the person responsible for this spam is kind of middle-person who had been arranging things like this.
One note is it could be interesting to know how many emails like that had been sent and how targeted the audience may have been.
-- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net
I've not had any.. perhaps its a targeted marketing list, have you bought similar services in the past? :) On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
Of course, this is not new on IRC, but it is new in SPAM.
----- Original Message ----- From: "william(at)elan.net" <william@elan.net> To: "Alexei Roudnev" <alex@relcom.net> Cc: "Michel Py" <michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>; "Nanog@Nanog. Org" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: Re: Site elimination service -:) - I received offer by 's'p'a'm'
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
Ooo, a great idea. As a result - $60 for QA, plus a chance to catch a criminal -:). Just as _want to test network IDS - set up IRC, join it
into
EFNet, and here you are_.
Generally speaking, I think it deserves attention (this adv.).
You're assuming that this is something very new, but it has been going on for long time on irc. If you knew right channel you can find people quite willing to DoS somebody else for $$. That it moved to spam is unusual for their types, but if you remember how many DoS attacks had been happening to anti-spam sites and services, it is clear that spammers did pay some of these criminals to do it. Probably the person responsible for this spam is kind of middle-person who had been arranging things like this.
One note is it could be interesting to know how many emails like that had been sent and how targeted the audience may have been.
-- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net
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