Hi. I do not want to keep on this long flame but I'd like to add a few words to it. 1) Our (USSR) experience (Vadim know it well) is _no way exist to prevent communist goverment from building something_. If some vendor (Bay for example) refuses to sell it's equipment it mean nothing but some money for the 3'th companies from the 3'th countries, not any more. If they (China) want to bue BAY equipment they'll do it, no matter if somebody boycott somebody or not... If you want to feed 3'th persons - come on and proclaim boicott... 2) This means it's not any matter to discuss this subject about Bay or Cisco or some another vendors. But it do not mean there is not any way to prevent building censored networks (as China's communists wants). Do you remember about _address space_ and _nic_? Let's imagine if NIC's policy deny address space allocations for the countries providing total censoreship, if they totally restricts free competition on the Internet market... THis is much seriously in comparation with this (Bay boicott China, or all of us boicott Bay... everybodu cry for this poor vendors -:)... etc...). And this may be the issue for the discussion there )or in the other mail list - this have to be right subject for _Internet and politic_ mail list, not for technical mail lists... --- Aleksei Roudnev, Network Operations Center, Relcom, Moscow (+7 095) 194-19-95 (Network Operations Center Hot Line),(+7 095) 239-10-10, N 13729 (pager) (+7 095) 196-72-12 (Support), (+7 095) 194-33-28 (Fax)