-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Curtis Villamizar <curtis@ans.net> writes:

I don't agree that with the apparent claim made by you and sometimes others at SprintLink that they are the only thing being done.

If I come across from time to time as saying that mine has been the only viable approach, or the only approach actually being taken, then you should blame that on lapses into rhetoric. I'm glad we both agree that we are both doing things to try to curtail boundless growth of global routing tables, even if our approaches are often very different. Also, as I said at NANOG, I like many of the directions you've headed in, and when they can be followed by us, I expect that us Sprint people will reconsider some of our stronger positions wrt the practicality of databases. You also stole my follow-up paragraph with your last paragraph, too. :-) However, just to reiterate, the utility of other approaches is heavily reliant upon the availability of a sizeable set of tools which can be used by people in the trenches. Unfortunately, since those tools tend to be developed only either by or with lots of input from people in the trenches, and those people are busy building new backbones (you are not the only one :-) ), sometimes the goal seems alot farther away than I'd like in order to justify manual work to simulate non-existant automation.

you might want to look at the policies and see if you can provide some types of exceptions

Naturally. Again, I probably come across as a bit more extreme than I really am. The goal is not to unnecessarily make life difficult for customers of ours or even of yours, but rather to provide some backpressure against particularly bad practices that would make the scaling problems we are seeing now even worse. Finally, you'll note that elsewhere I've been pushing for a more tractable feedback system that involves unleashing market forces upon most of the processes which have been argued about in CIDRD, here and elsewhere. I think that this is probably a good direction to head in, and I would welcome your participation in PIARA land. Sean. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP Public Key in ftp://ftp.sprintlink.net/engineer/smd/pgpkey iQCVAwUBMhjK00SWYarrFs6xAQHWaQP+PO+Woebb0lrphzFm+uxmY79+gWpAQJ+U r7BwpM9lh4h0DyMoAzj+Y1JqFmvmTEFQ/fjeJTC/bAJzb5zqw/FYCyc3h5gaBuFq AvKuFL1I2HVnFMNPn91lW9tLLUcEFfqQIs1JOApiUv84pEiimcSbqxnuHa5vu4k9 SSReSPmuQEg= =LJIW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----