That would be a lot of fun. I always had nice laughs looking at measurement techniques so prevalent in the respective publications. --vadim From: Peter Ford <peterf@microsoft.com> Another pragmatic solution is to call the editors of comm week, network world, data communications and suggest that they might get a lot of mileage writing a story comparing and contrasting the performance of ISPs. They do this for routers, bridges, FR services so they can probably find a respectable consulting/measurement group to collect information. Some of this could be live empirical data and some of this could be survey. cheers, peter