I am doing some research on connecting in Miami. Does anyone have an opinion on how well L3 Xroads is doing there? Thanks in advance, Pete Fortman _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
Is MiamiMIX still an issue? I had thought that NOTA was the clear choice... - Dan Golding NetRail, Inc. On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
I am doing some research on connecting in Miami. Does anyone have an opinion on how well L3 Xroads is doing there?
Thanks in advance, Pete Fortman
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Nap of the Americas: MiamiMIX:
-- bill
I am doing some research on connecting in Miami. Does anyone have an opinion on how well L3 Xroads is doing there?
Is the L3 Xroads much more than just a novel way to sell transit? I know L3 try to promote it as a "peering point" a-like, but I'm not convinced. Simon -- Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 (0)1737 839676 Internet Engineering Manager | Fax: +44 (0)1737 839516 BBC Internet Services | Email: Simon.Lockhart@bbc.co.uk Kingswood Warren,Tadworth,Surrey,UK | URL: http://support.bbc.co.uk/
On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 08:11:33PM +0100, Simon Lockhart wrote:
I am doing some research on connecting in Miami. Does anyone have an opinion on how well L3 Xroads is doing there?
Is the L3 Xroads much more than just a novel way to sell transit? I know L3 try to promote it as a "peering point" a-like, but I'm not convinced.
My understanding of it is that people who want to be at the datacenter just for inter-customer communication can do so and be charged less then those who want to purchase full transit. In practice I don't know how many people actually do this (which limits its usefulness greatly). I'd love for level3-southfield(detroit) to turn into a place where local michigan people all drop a circuit into and keep traffic out of chicago. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect, BOFH / Chimes, Inc. billf@chimesnet.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Disclaimer: my employer is a level3 customer and I am a customer of someone who uses level3 dtw for transit. I'm speaking on my own behalf.
It's cheap ($160/meg I've heard) and you can only talk to others in the XRoad. On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Simon Lockhart wrote:
I am doing some research on connecting in Miami. Does anyone have an opinion on how well L3 Xroads is doing there?
Is the L3 Xroads much more than just a novel way to sell transit? I know L3 try to promote it as a "peering point" a-like, but I'm not convinced.
Simon -- Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 (0)1737 839676 Internet Engineering Manager | Fax: +44 (0)1737 839516 BBC Internet Services | Email: Simon.Lockhart@bbc.co.uk Kingswood Warren,Tadworth,Surrey,UK | URL: http://support.bbc.co.uk/
That's not true... The crossroads product doesn't limit you to other crossroads customers. You can send traffic intra-gateway, to customers at other L3 gateways and offnet (transit). You're billed at different rates based on destination to make it and advantage to keep traffic on net. -cp
It's cheap ($160/meg I've heard) and you can only talk to others in the XRoad.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Simon Lockhart wrote:
I am doing some research on connecting in Miami. Does anyone have an opinion on how well L3 Xroads is doing there?
Is the L3 Xroads much more than just a novel way to sell transit? I know L3 try to promote it as a "peering point" a-like, but I'm not convinced.
Simon -- Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 (0)1737 839676 Internet Engineering Manager | Fax: +44 (0)1737 839516 BBC Internet Services | Email: Simon.Lockhart@bbc.co.uk Kingswood Warren,Tadworth,Surrey,UK | URL: http://support.bbc.co.uk/
-- Craig Pierantozzi tozz@gweep.net
I think thats what I said, no? On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 tozz@sidehack.sat.gweep.net wrote:
That's not true... The crossroads product doesn't limit you to other crossroads customers. You can send traffic intra-gateway, to customers at other L3 gateways and offnet (transit). You're billed at different rates based on destination to make it and advantage to keep traffic on net.
-cp
It's cheap ($160/meg I've heard) and you can only talk to others in the XRoad.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Simon Lockhart wrote:
I am doing some research on connecting in Miami. Does anyone have an opinion on how well L3 Xroads is doing there?
Is the L3 Xroads much more than just a novel way to sell transit? I know L3 try to promote it as a "peering point" a-like, but I'm not convinced.
Simon -- Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 (0)1737 839676 Internet Engineering Manager | Fax: +44 (0)1737 839516 BBC Internet Services | Email: Simon.Lockhart@bbc.co.uk Kingswood Warren,Tadworth,Surrey,UK | URL: http://support.bbc.co.uk/
-- Craig Pierantozzi tozz@gweep.net
Sorry if I misunderstood. You said "...you can only talk to others in the XRoad." I took that as you meaning you can only talk to other crossroads customers and not the global internet or L3 customers using traditional dedicated internet access solutions. -cp [snip]
I think thats what I said, no?
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 tozz@sidehack.sat.gweep.net wrote:
That's not true... The crossroads product doesn't limit you to other crossroads customers. You can send traffic intra-gateway, to customers at other L3 gateways and offnet (transit). You're billed at different rates based on destination to make it and advantage to keep traffic on net.
-cp
It's cheap ($160/meg I've heard) and you can only talk to others in the XRoad.
Hello All , Replying off list would be best & I can summarize if anyone has interest . Have my eye's on acquiring a couple of their larger units . I Just need some feedback from -real- users . Tia, JimL +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | James W. Laferriere | System Techniques | Give me VMS | | Network Engineer | 25416 22nd So | Give me Linux | | babydr@baby-dragons.com | DesMoines WA 98198 | only on AXP | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:
Hello All , Replying off list would be best & I can summarize if anyone has interest . Have my eye's on acquiring a couple of their larger units . I Just need some feedback from -real- users .
I have worked for two very large providers with juniper equipment. Like all equipment, they have their flaws but they are so much better than the next closes vendor that its not even funny. Much better response from engineers, much better code, much higher density per rack, and their line cards actually can do oc192 /vijay
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Vijay Gill wrote: and BLAM, egg on face. Not checking reply-to-all is a bitch. /vijay
Until of course they grow as large as the other big name competitor, then we'll see how well their service model scales. I like Juniper as much as the next person, this doesn't however, make me naieve enough to believe that they're going to be able to leap the customer support and technical support hurdles that all the other large companies have hit. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Vijay Gill Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:56 PM To: Mr. James W. Laferriere Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Anyone heard anything Good or Bad about Juniper equipment ? On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:
Hello All , Replying off list would be best & I can summarize if anyone has interest . Have my eye's on acquiring a couple of their larger units . I Just need some feedback from -real- users .
I have worked for two very large providers with juniper equipment. Like all equipment, they have their flaws but they are so much better than the next closes vendor that its not even funny. Much better response from engineers, much better code, much higher density per rack, and their line cards actually can do oc192 /vijay
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Brett L. Hawn wrote:
Until of course they grow as large as the other big name competitor, then we'll see how well their service model scales.
I like Juniper as much as the next person, this doesn't however, make me naieve enough to believe that they're going to be able to leap the customer support and technical support hurdles that all the other large companies have hit.
I cannot argue this. Competition is good for the customers. At this time, better support arrives from Vendor X, tomorrow, vendor P springs up with better hardware, support and software. To vendor P, substantial checks are written. Then vendor R comes up. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. /vijay
Stay away from the OSPF. 9 out of 10 engineers agree: If you use Juniper, use ISIS. Or become very good at troubleshooting OSPF. - Dan Golding On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Vijay Gill wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:
Hello All , Replying off list would be best & I can summarize if anyone has interest . Have my eye's on acquiring a couple of their larger units . I Just need some feedback from -real- users .
I have worked for two very large providers with juniper equipment. Like all equipment, they have their flaws but they are so much better than the next closes vendor that its not even funny.
Much better response from engineers, much better code, much higher density per rack, and their line cards actually can do oc192
/vijay
Stay away from the OSPF. 9 out of 10 engineers agree: If you use Juniper, use ISIS. Or become very good at troubleshooting OSPF.
I must be that tenth engineer. We've had no ospf problems.
Hello All , Replying off list would be best & I can summarize if anyone has interest . Have my eye's on acquiring a couple of their larger units . I Just need some feedback from -real- users .
I have worked for two very large providers with juniper equipment. Like all equipment, they have their flaws but they are so much better than the next closes vendor that its not even funny.
Much better response from engineers, much better code, much higher density per rack, and their line cards actually can do oc192
/vijay
* Mr. James W. Laferriere <babydr@baby-dragons.com> [20001013 13:53]:
Hello All , Replying off list would be best & I can summarize if anyone has interest . Have my eye's on acquiring a couple of their larger units . I Just need some feedback from -real- users .
May want to ask on the Juniper list: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net I've been searching for much the same info as you. -jr ---- Josh Richards [JTR38/JR539-ARIN] <jrichard@geekresearch.com/cubicle.net/fix.net/freedom.gen.ca.us> Geek Research LLC - <URL:http://www.geekresearch.com/> IP Network Engineering and Consulting
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Alex -
Bill Fumerola -
bmanning＠vacation.karoshi.com -
Brett L. Hawn -
Daniel L. Golding -
Dave Curado -
Josh Richards -
Mr. James W. Laferriere -
pete fortman -
Simon Lockhart -
tozz＠sidehack.sat.gweep.net -
Vijay Gill