Out of band monitoring of equipment
Curious if any operator uses, or have interest in using, out of band network (e.g. modem, wireless etc.) for remote equipment (routers, switches, HVAC etc.) monitoring over and above doing it in band on the Internet. Regards, John Leong
Curious if any operator uses, or have interest in using, out of band network (e.g. modem, wireless etc.) for remote equipment (routers, switches, HVAC etc.) monitoring over and above doing it in band on the Internet.
excuse the double negative, but i doubt that any real operator doesn't randy
In my opinion, "real operators" pay careful attention to the basics, such as quality of service, up-time, performance, true "end-to-end" IPv4 transport, etc. The consesus here seems to be that NANOG is a group of hobbyists with no "policy rudder" to steer them in a direction where the O implicitly stands for "Real Operator". The Real Operators that I know have told me that NANOG no longer cares, in other words, it is not like the old days. I guess this is what happens when "operators" can not agree on how to process the first 20 bytes in a packet header, in a consistent manner, without breaking things after the fact. Jim Fleming http://www.unir.com/images/architech.gif http://www.unir.com/images/address.gif http://www.unir.com/images/headers.gif http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> To: John Leong <johnleong@research.bell-labs.com> Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>; Shankar Narayanaswamy (E-mail) <shankar@bell-labs.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Out of band monitoring of equipment
Curious if any operator uses, or have interest in using, out of band network (e.g. modem, wireless etc.) for remote equipment (routers, switches, HVAC etc.) monitoring over and above doing it in band on the Internet.
excuse the double negative, but i doubt that any real operator doesn't
randy
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, JIM FLEMING wrote:
In my opinion, "real operators" pay careful attention to the basics, such as quality of service, up-time, performance, true "end-to-end" IPv4 transport, etc. The consesus here seems to be that NANOG is a group of hobbyists with no "policy rudder" to steer them in a direction where the O implicitly stands for "Real Operator". The Real Operators that I know have told me that NANOG no longer cares, in other words, it is not like the old days.
I guess this is what happens when "operators" can not agree on how to process the first 20 bytes in a packet header, in a consistent manner, without breaking things after the fact.
Jim Fleming http://www.unir.com/images/architech.gif http://www.unir.com/images/address.gif http://www.unir.com/images/headers.gif http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp
Jim, PLEASE give it a rest. If you don't like the practices of a particular operator, that's fine. NANOG isn't the place for your to bitch and moan about it though. I would venture to guess that this group of so-called "Hobbyists" has a customer base several million fold that of your own. If you don't want someone dicking with the TOS field of your traffic, I have a suggestion for you: Set up your _OWN_ global backbone! I just checked. ALLKNOWINGFRUITCAKE.NET is available and would be very appropriate. As for the "Real Operators" that you know: I notice that you did not mention them by name. I'll bet that you have their undieing grattitude for that. We're _ALL_ sick of your whining. Have the past five requests for you to lay off escaped you? GO AWAY YOU NUT! WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY! WE NEVER DID! --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
Curious if any operator uses, or have interest in using, out of band network (e.g. modem, wireless etc.) for remote equipment (routers, switches, HVAC etc.) monitoring over and above doing it in band on the Internet.
curious if any operator _doesn't_ use some type of out-of-band network. /rf
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000, Rich Fulton wrote:
Curious if any operator uses, or have interest in using, out of band network (e.g. modem, wireless etc.) for remote equipment (routers, switches, HVAC etc.) monitoring over and above doing it in band on the Internet.
curious if any operator _doesn't_ use some type of out-of-band network.
If operators won't tell you who they peer with, why do you expect them to tell you something bad about themselves? :) Adrian -- Adrian Chadd "God: Damn! I left pot everywhere! <adrian@creative.net.au> Now I'll have to create Republicans!" - Bill Hicks
John Leong wrote:
Curious if any operator uses, or have interest in using, out of band network (e.g. modem, wireless etc.) for remote equipment (routers, switches, HVAC etc.) monitoring over and above doing it in band on the Internet.
Not quite sure what you mean by out-of-band. I use Keynote RedAlert! (http://www.redalert.com) and they seem to work quite well... -- Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH
Just finished building one using a multi-port serial card on a Linux server... http://www.equinox.com Thanks, jason On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, John Leong wrote:
Curious if any operator uses, or have interest in using, out of band network (e.g. modem, wireless etc.) for remote equipment (routers, switches, HVAC etc.) monitoring over and above doing it in band on the Internet.
Regards, John Leong -- This email from Jason Blakey - jblakey@frogboy.net - www.frogboy.net "The luckiest man in the world"
There's always the Livingston portmaster 2 series, with up to 30 ports available for this purpose. Brian On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Jason Blakey wrote:
Just finished building one using a multi-port serial card on a Linux server... http://www.equinox.com
Thanks, jason
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, John Leong wrote:
Curious if any operator uses, or have interest in using, out of band network (e.g. modem, wireless etc.) for remote equipment (routers, switches, HVAC etc.) monitoring over and above doing it in band on the Internet.
Regards, John Leong -- This email from Jason Blakey - jblakey@frogboy.net - www.frogboy.net "The luckiest man in the world"
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, John Leong wrote:
Curious if any operator uses, or have interest in using, out of band network (e.g. modem, wireless etc.) for remote equipment (routers, switches, HVAC etc.) monitoring over and above doing it in band on the Internet.
This was standard practice in a former life (all alerting was done via a separately-provisioned POTS line to pagers, along with email notification for serious issues); this wasn't just for remote equipment, but also for equipment on our main premesis. I'm in the process of rolling it out where I am now. Check the archives; I'm sure I've seen Sean Donelan and others discuss this before. -- Edward S. Marshall <emarshal@logic.net> http://www.nyx.net/~emarshal/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. ]
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