Renaming the 6500? Nice one, let's call it 7600 then :-) Arjan -----Original Message----- From: bas [mailto:kilobit@gmail.com] Sent: Tue 3/9/2010 9:33 PM To: Brian Feeny Cc: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: CRS-3 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Brian Feeny <bfeeny@mac.com> wrote

If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine!

Indeed Cisco marketing machine. Nothing new to CRS-1, just new linecards and route-processor. It would be like giving the CAT6500 a new name back when the SUP720/DCEF cards came out. Internet communications are not secure; therefore, the integrity of this e-mail cannot be guaranteed following transmission on the Internet. This e-mail may contain confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail. Use of this e-mail by any person other than the addressee is strictly forbidden. This e-mail is believed to be free of any virus that might adversely affect the addressee's computer system; however, no responsibility is accepted for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. All the preceding disclaimers also apply to any possible attachments to this e-mail.

On 3/9/2010 4:39 PM, Tim Durack wrote:

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Brian Feeny <bfeeny@mac.com> wrote:

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So who is going to be the first to deploy these?

http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html

- Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes

If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine!

"This intelligence also includes carrier-grade IPv6 (CGv6)"

Can't wait to find out what this is.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6553/white_pape... First google link for CGv6. Skimmed it any saw something called 'Double NAT 444'. -- Philip Davis Systems Administrator I-2000 Inc. (616) 532-8425 888-234-4254

It's teh future of the tubes! Didn't you get the memo? Nah, actually it is just hardware assisted SP-wide NAT... See: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6553/white_pape... Cisco believes that this is the (intermediate-)solution to the IPv4 address depletion... Regards, Dirk On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Tim Durack wrote:

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Brian Feeny <bfeeny@mac.com> wrote:

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So who is going to be the first to deploy these?

http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html

- Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes

If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine!

"This intelligence also includes carrier-grade IPv6 (CGv6)"

Can't wait to find out what this is.

-- Tim:>

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On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Crooks, Sam wrote:

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"Spend the GDP of a small nation on a single box!"

I'll admit to being too lazy to dig through and/or translate the marketspeak.

Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or how much power it would consume? Or how much heat it would generate?

Or perhaps more interestingly, given the way things seem to be going, how many (tens of?) millions of RIB entries it'll allow?

Just curious...

Admittedly, my information on these topics comes from NPR these days. :-) They said it costs ~US$90k, and that AT&T was in trails. - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) wj8DBQFLl0JOq1pz9mNUZTMRAkPiAKD+LCW/Z27zwSZgI8otXNNetGN8aQCg8i4J M4QZTSQ2W9oV9JYdt7eaMxM= =S3te -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or how much power it would consume? Or how much heat it would generate?

Admittedly, my information on these topics comes from NPR these days. :-)

They said it costs ~US$90k, and that AT&T was in trails.

$90k is the price of the special lift jack you need to move them around :) -Steve

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, David Conrad wrote:

Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or how much power it would consume? Or how much heat it would generate?

Power is fairly easy, you need somewhere in the order of 14kW per rack (at least you need to provision that much), and at 72 racks that's ~1 MW. I'd imagine it'd be hard to get below an average cost of 50kUSD per slot for MSC and PLIM and optics, so at 64*16 slots that's at least ~50 milllion USD.

Or perhaps more interestingly, given the way things seem to be going, how many (tens of?) millions of RIB entries it'll allow?

Probably around there, yes, 10M RIB, 2-3M FIB. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se

I fail to see how using linksys's range of products is going to be comparable to enterprise grade cisco gear. Well, your average consumer wouldn't be involved with a CRS or for that matter, anything that remotely resembles a CRS. Not sure why you'd pull the consumer market into this marketing hype that cisco is going on about. :P On 10-Mar-2010, at 1:19 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Brian Feeny <bfeeny@mac.com> wrote:

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So who is going to be the first to deploy these?

http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html

- Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes

If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine!

And the amazing thing is that the target audience of the campaign has nothing to do with the product. The very few carriers that can buy CRS-x already knew about the product and preliminar specs; the real message is to the consumer markets: there is more bandwidth out there. Don't be cheap: use, prefer and create applications requiring more bandwidth. If the market grows, Cisco grows with it, selling products across the board (newer Linksys APs, newer CPEs, newer PEs, newer core routers).

The real enemy here for Cisco is not vendor-J,vendor-AL or vendor-H; it's a growing culture that speaks txtspk instead of plain language and would be happy with Telex bandwidths. That hurts business; HD video and HQ audio sell a lot of stuff, and that's the culture Cisco hopes will prevail.

Rubens