Andros Island Connectivity?
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me. They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'. They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday". None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States. Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback... Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access? -A
Aaron, Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you. -Mike On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity? Aaron, Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you. -Mike On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Says.. Who? Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity? It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Yeah, how many thousands is it per meg of space segment? On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Says.. Who?
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Depends.. Space segment runs from 1300 a mhz for inclined all the way to 6k a month a mhz for hard to get weird stuff. We oversub to make the economics work often. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity? Yeah, how many thousands is it per meg of space segment? On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Says.. Who?
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Bingo. And you're absolutely right in that setting it up can be really fast. But cheap? Not for a quality connection. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Depends.. Space segment runs from 1300 a mhz for inclined all the way to 6k a month a mhz for hard to get weird stuff. We oversub to make the economics work often.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Yeah, how many thousands is it per meg of space segment?
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Says.. Who?
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
We can make it work usually. An Hd TV channel takes something like 3mhz now. Things have improved greatly in our industry. Not to say there isn't the occasional weird situation. But when you come in to a site and it's up within an hour you are usually elevated to rockstar status. It takes longer to demarc a loop at the niu than it does to point an antenna. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:25 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity? Bingo. And you're absolutely right in that setting it up can be really fast. But cheap? Not for a quality connection. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Depends.. Space segment runs from 1300 a mhz for inclined all the way to 6k a month a mhz for hard to get weird stuff. We oversub to make the economics work often.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Yeah, how many thousands is it per meg of space segment?
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Says.. Who?
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
If you need more than a megabit, don't forget to factor in the link budget and the resulting power and hardware requirements to support larger bandwidths. Then you're looking at something that is probably not available today on the island. If the connection needs to be up 24/7, even in heavy rains, then you're looking at something in C-band which then requires a larger antenna. You'll be hard pressed to do any real bandwidth at Ku-band with anything less than a 1.2m antenna. C-band, you're looking at 3.7m or so minimum. The Ku-band iDirect system I manage for the City of Chicago runs 3 Mbps up and 3 Mbps down at Ku-band. There are 6 remotes on the system, 5 are vehicles. The vehicle antennas are 1.2m but they require 25 Watt amplifiers to reliably close the link all the time. Clear day is fine on much less power. Heavy rains, forget it. 25 Watts isn't enough. On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> wrote:
Bingo. And you're absolutely right in that setting it up can be really fast.
But cheap? Not for a quality connection.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Depends.. Space segment runs from 1300 a mhz for inclined all the way to 6k a month a mhz for hard to get weird stuff. We oversub to make the economics work often.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Yeah, how many thousands is it per meg of space segment?
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Says.. Who?
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Now we are partying! Let me get on my computer so I can respond. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Ryan Wilkins <ryan@deadfrog.net> Date: 04/30/2013 3:16 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Cc: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity? If you need more than a megabit, don't forget to factor in the link budget and the resulting power and hardware requirements to support larger bandwidths. Then you're looking at something that is probably not available today on the island. If the connection needs to be up 24/7, even in heavy rains, then you're looking at something in C-band which then requires a larger antenna. You'll be hard pressed to do any real bandwidth at Ku-band with anything less than a 1.2m antenna. C-band, you're looking at 3.7m or so minimum. The Ku-band iDirect system I manage for the City of Chicago runs 3 Mbps up and 3 Mbps down at Ku-band. There are 6 remotes on the system, 5 are vehicles. The vehicle antennas are 1.2m but they require 25 Watt amplifiers to reliably close the link all the time. Clear day is fine on much less power. Heavy rains, forget it. 25 Watts isn't enough. On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> wrote:
Bingo. And you're absolutely right in that setting it up can be really fast.
But cheap? Not for a quality connection.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Depends.. Space segment runs from 1300 a mhz for inclined all the way to 6k a month a mhz for hard to get weird stuff. We oversub to make the economics work often.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Yeah, how many thousands is it per meg of space segment?
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Says.. Who?
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Harris/CAPROCK, http://www.harriscaprock.com, provides VSAT worldwide to shipping, offshore platforms and remote islands. Additionally, Andros has quite a bit of undersea fiber going to it. The USAF Eastern Test Range and the Naval base there was the forcing function. The range contractor, http://computersciencesraytheon.com, could probably give you a heads up or if I can help I can call some friends there. Tom On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
Depends.. Space segment runs from 1300 a mhz for inclined all the way to 6k a month a mhz for hard to get weird stuff. We oversub to make the economics work often.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Yeah, how many thousands is it per meg of space segment?
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Says.. Who?
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-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
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-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
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Or you could just use my networks? Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: TR Shaw <tshaw@oitc.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity? Harris/CAPROCK, http://www.harriscaprock.com, provides VSAT worldwide to shipping, offshore platforms and remote islands. Additionally, Andros has quite a bit of undersea fiber going to it. The USAF Eastern Test Range and the Naval base there was the forcing function. The range contractor, http://computersciencesraytheon.com, could probably give you a heads up or if I can help I can call some friends there. Tom On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
Depends.. Space segment runs from 1300 a mhz for inclined all the way to 6k a month a mhz for hard to get weird stuff. We oversub to make the economics work often.
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-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Yeah, how many thousands is it per meg of space segment?
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Says.. Who?
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-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Not that I'll argue it isn't costly, but how else can you rail in up to 100mbps in an afternoon..? I would imagine this type of inquiry comes in after it has been established that there is little to no connectivity. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity? It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Doesn't cable Bahamas sell in andros Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
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-------- Original message -------- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
Aaron,
Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any Wireless ISPs over there that can help you.
-Mike
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On 2013-05-01, at 01:23, joseph.snyder@gmail.com wrote:
Doesn't cable Bahamas sell in andros
BaTelCo has five retail stores on Andros too, which suggests they offer some kind of service there (whether wireline or wireless). For a list whose subscribers have generally more experience on the ground in the Caribbean, perhaps try <http://www.caribnog.org/mailing-list/>. Joe
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 09:20:59AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
On 2013-05-01, at 01:23, joseph.snyder@gmail.com wrote:
Doesn't cable Bahamas sell in andros
BaTelCo has five retail stores on Andros too, which suggests they offer some kind of service there (whether wireline or wireless).
its been a long time since i've done much in the caribbean, but i'd be quite surprised if the bahamas didn't have some decent amount of terrestrial connectivity by this time. back in the day when Cable and Wireless controlled everything, it was a pretty costly environment to work in. don't know if that's still the case. -- Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 "He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead"
Aaron are they supporting the range? If so there are options. On Apr 30, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote:
I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've been told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San Francisco where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert which might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them internet access?
-A
Protracted discussion (and promotion) has glossed over one key point:
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
They will not be happy with VSAT latency (typically 700ms though physics says you can never do better than 550, and that's for the space segment alone) if they are running RDP, VNC, Citrix, or similar technologies. Sorry for being a buzzkill, Warren. :) -r
BuzzzzzKilllll!!! Actually, we use some TCP ninja techniques to make Citrix/RDP work. Basically, we ack the packets on both sides to prevent the delay from occurring. It's kind of like acceleration, except there aren't really any devices in between the session. There is a single box at the transmit station (we call it a hub) and nothing on the other side. And for the record, you're never a buzzkill Rob. I live with latency every day, she's a decent girl when you treat her right.. ;) On 4/30/13 6:13 PM, "Rob Seastrom" <rs@seastrom.com> wrote:
Protracted discussion (and promotion) has glossed over one key point:
None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is accessed via RDP on a server in the United States.
They will not be happy with VSAT latency (typically 700ms though physics says you can never do better than 550, and that's for the space segment alone) if they are running RDP, VNC, Citrix, or similar technologies. Sorry for being a buzzkill, Warren. :)
-r
I was going to mention this but failed to do so. At the very least, do some testing first to make sure that the latency isn't going to introduce unforeseen issues. Case in point, the Chicago satellite-based network that I manage is sometimes used for Police / Fire / EMS dispatching. The City's Computer Aided Dispatch system ended up crashing during an early test when it was discovered that it couldn't handle the high latencies encountered on satellite links. This required the vendor to adjust the code to deal with these issues. Granted this is an extreme example, but the point is that the physics of satellite links can do all sorts of things to applications that one might not expect. Cheers, Ryan Wilkins On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Rob Seastrom <rs@seastrom.com> wrote:
They will not be happy with VSAT latency (typically 700ms though physics says you can never do better than 550, and that's for the space segment alone) if they are running RDP, VNC, Citrix, or similar technologies. Sorry for being a buzzkill, Warren. :)
http://www.xiplink.com is who we work with (and sell). Don't mean to advertise on NANOG, more of an FYI and place for those who care to learn something. I hate the fact that satellite is looked at like a white unicorn, it's a pretty cool solution that will perform day in and out for as long as you need it to. On 4/30/13 6:29 PM, "Ryan Wilkins" <ryan@deadfrog.net> wrote:
I was going to mention this but failed to do so.
At the very least, do some testing first to make sure that the latency isn't going to introduce unforeseen issues. Case in point, the Chicago satellite-based network that I manage is sometimes used for Police / Fire / EMS dispatching. The City's Computer Aided Dispatch system ended up crashing during an early test when it was discovered that it couldn't handle the high latencies encountered on satellite links. This required the vendor to adjust the code to deal with these issues. Granted this is an extreme example, but the point is that the physics of satellite links can do all sorts of things to applications that one might not expect.
Cheers, Ryan Wilkins
On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Rob Seastrom <rs@seastrom.com> wrote:
They will not be happy with VSAT latency (typically 700ms though physics says you can never do better than 550, and that's for the space segment alone) if they are running RDP, VNC, Citrix, or similar technologies. Sorry for being a buzzkill, Warren. :)
I've used them before on SCPC links. I discovered on a boat one time that the XipLink unit we were using wasn't exactly designed to handle vibrations from engines nor the constant pounding of a hull on water when in the ocean with large swells. Back then the boxes were 1U rackmount PCs running some variant of BSD, and we had issues with the Ethernet card coming out of the PCI slot after a few hours of operational use. Maybe they've migrated to something a little more robust now. Of course, most normal customers don't put them on boats to begin with. :-) I agree with your comment about satellite. It has its place. Some things it is particularly well suited for. Other things, maybe not so much. I often don't mention satellites when someone asks what I do because most people assume I'm a DirecTV installer which couldn't be further from the truth. On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
http://www.xiplink.com is who we work with (and sell). Don't mean to advertise on NANOG, more of an FYI and place for those who care to learn something. I hate the fact that satellite is looked at like a white unicorn, it's a pretty cool solution that will perform day in and out for as long as you need it to.
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TR Shaw -
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