update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday. Gelsinger pointed to PlanetLab, an experimental network that sits on top of the Internet, as a step in the right direction. Hewlett-Packard and Intel have begun work trying to commercialize the project, which was started in 2002, in order to overlay the Internet with intelligence and adaptability. [...] http://news.com.com/Intel+calls+for+Internet+overhaul/2100-1006_3-5359743.ht...
Paul Vixie wrote:
update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday.
There is confusion in the air about the roles of "hosts" and "network" here? Pete
On 9/9/04 4:21 PM, "Petri Helenius" <pete@he.iki.fi> wrote:
Paul Vixie wrote:
update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday.
There is confusion in the air about the roles of "hosts" and "network" here?
Pete
It has become trendy, in some circles, to lament the Internet's poor performance/congestion/non-deterministic nature/lack of security/<insert issue here>. After firmly denouncing the Internet, the company or individual then touts their product, which will fix/replace/augment the Internet. Truth usually doesn't factor into the denunciation, which is where you get things like the recent conference on "Preventing the Internet Meltdown" - (http://www.pfir.org/meltdown), which suggested that some sort of electronic catastrophe is, dare we hope, imminent. In the mean time, I've decided to enjoy the Internet in the precious little time it has left. (yes, that was sarcasm) -- Daniel Golding Network and Telecommunications Strategies Burton Group
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Daniel Golding wrote:
It has become trendy, in some circles, performance/congestion/non-deterministic nature/lack of security/<insert issue here>. After firmly denouncing the Internet, the company or individual then touts their product, which will fix/replace/augment the Internet.
Really? Vendors trying to sell useless products? no way! Its amazing the level of internet snake oil that still persists; and even more hillarious is what people pay for it. I thought the bubble bursting would've cut that out, yet still people pay actual dollars for "optimized" internet routing appliances, and craptacular PC's filled with duct tape and glue software.
In the mean time, I've decided to enjoy the Internet in the precious little time it has left. (yes, that was sarcasm)
Well, we can always enjoy Internet2...
You want to see the future of meritless products, you've gotta look at the xri and xdi white papers from oasis-open.org. ROTFL. Peter
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: Adaptability, capacity, security. Wait, isn't that what ipv6 was supposed to do? -Dan
update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday.
Gelsinger pointed to PlanetLab, an experimental network that sits on top of the Internet, as a step in the right direction. Hewlett-Packard and Intel have begun work trying to commercialize the project, which was started in 2002, in order to overlay the Internet with intelligence and adaptability. [...]
http://news.com.com/Intel+calls+for+Internet+overhaul/2100-1006_3-5359743.ht...
-- "I'll commit ritual suicide before I whore myself out to Disney." --Emi Bryant April 26, 2004 On the animation industry --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org ---------------------------
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Paul Vixie wrote:
update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday.
Gelsinger pointed to PlanetLab, an experimental network that sits on top of the Internet, as a step in the right direction. Hewlett-Packard and Intel have begun work trying to commercialize the project, which was started in 2002, in order to overlay the Internet with intelligence and adaptability. [...]
Which is ironic given that many visible trends (optical cores, mpls, l2 ip dslams) point to dumber network devices not smarter ones. maybe they're in the business of selling microprocessors?
http://news.com.com/Intel+calls+for+Internet+overhaul/2100-1006_3-5359743.ht...
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Jaeggli Unix Consulting joelja@darkwing.uoregon.edu GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C6E 0104 BAF0 40B0 5BD3 C38B F000 35AB B67F 56B2
Which is ironic given that many visible trends (optical cores, mpls, l2 ip dslams) point to dumber network devices not smarter ones. maybe they're in the business of selling microprocessors?
so we can have a marketing war between those who would save the net using micro network processors, those who would save the net using mpls, those who would save the net using ipv6, ... 'cept i am not sure the net needs saving randy
Yeah, great, lots of backbone, but get me fiber to my house, maybe I'll be excited.. Nice marketing, but, um, still only as good as its weakest link.. HDTV over IP bwhaaa haaa hong long did it take to get VOIP to work?? 10 years? A bit of forshadowing I'd say.. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Paul Vixie Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:12 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: "Intel calls for Internet overhaul" update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday. Gelsinger pointed to PlanetLab, an experimental network that sits on top of the Internet, as a step in the right direction. Hewlett-Packard and Intel have begun work trying to commercialize the project, which was started in 2002, in order to overlay the Internet with intelligence and adaptability. [...] http://news.com.com/Intel+calls+for+Internet+overhaul/2100-1006_3-5359743.ht ml?tag=nl
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Brance Amussen :)_S wrote:
Yeah, great, lots of backbone, but get me fiber to my house, maybe I'll be excited.. Nice marketing, but, um, still only as good as its weakest link.. HDTV over IP bwhaaa haaa hong long did it take to get VOIP to work?? 10 years? A bit of forshadowing I'd say..
oh, the fine folks at NSF will be funding that (7.5mil): http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=0331653 http://news.cs.cmu.edu/Releases/demo/123.html and Internet2 will deploy: http://www.internet2.edu/about/related-projects.html http://100x100network.org/
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Paul Vixie Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:12 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: "Intel calls for Internet overhaul"
update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday.
Gelsinger pointed to PlanetLab, an experimental network that sits on top of the Internet, as a step in the right direction. Hewlett-Packard and Intel have begun work trying to commercialize the project, which was started in 2002, in order to overlay the Internet with intelligence and adaptability. [...]
http://news.com.com/Intel+calls+for+Internet+overhaul/2100-1006_3-5359743.ht ml?tag=nl
On 9/9/2004 4:12 PM, Paul Vixie wrote:
update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday.
hmmph. Many moons ago I used to argue that the IETF should adopt/hijack the DCE suite, and for the same basic reasons that this guy is arguing for their thingy. DCE is probably a better idea still, but his payscale and business card guarantee a wider audience so... Who knows, maybe he'll have better luck with it. I'll salute if its architected and spec'd right, with a good distributed directory, platform-neutral APIs, targetted use, etc. -- Eric A. Hall http://www.ehsco.com/ Internet Core Protocols http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/coreprot/
participants (11)
-
Brance Amussen :)_S -
Dan Mahoney, System Admin -
Daniel Golding -
Eric A. Hall -
Joel Jaeggli -
Lucy E. Lynch -
Paul Vixie -
Peter H Salus -
Petri Helenius -
Randy Bush -
Tom (UnitedLayer)