At 1:51 PM -0400 2002/09/17, Greg A. Woods wrote:

No, Dave's second sentence is not true, thus his conclusion is bogus.

Dave was talking about "normal" TCP connections, and I was following the same model. If you're talking about hi-jacking the TCP connection, then you are correct.

If you're talking about commercially available product, perhaps....

However this kind of thing is trivial with basic IPsec gateways and simple filtering ala IP Filter, etc.

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