Re: Failover how much complexity will it add?
You will laugh, but the budget at the moment looks like £13k. Impossible? Do only linux and openbsd solutions remain in the mix for this pittance? On Sun 11:47 PM , Dale Rumph <daler@ibbs.com> wrote:
What does your budget look like? A pair of Cisco 7246vxr's with G1's sitting on the edge of the network would be very effective and still allow expansion. Or you could go up to the 7609. However this gear may be slightly overkill. You might be ok with a 3660 enterprise and a ton of ram. I have done single sessions on them but not with the level of HA your looking for.
Just my 2c
----- Original Message ----- From: adel@baklawasecrets.com To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sun Nov 08 18:36:31 2009 Subject: Re: Failover how much complexity will it add?
Basically the organisation that I'm working for will not have the skills in house to support a linux or bsd box. They will have trouble with supporting the BGP configuration, however I don't think they will be happy with me if I leave them with a linux box when they don't have linux/unix resource internally. At least with a Cisco or Juniper they are familiar with IOS and it won't be too foreign to them.
On Sun 11:30 PM , "Renato Frederick" wrote:
There are any problems with quagga+BSD/Linux that you know or something
like that?
Or in your scenario a "cisco/juniper box" is a requirement?
I'm asking this because I'm always running BGP with upstreams providers
using quagga on BSD and everything is fine until now.
-------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:39 PM To: Subject: Re: Failover how much complexity will it add?
So if my requirements are as follows:
- BGP router capable of holding full Internet routing table. (whether
I
go for partial or full, I think I want something with full capability).
- Capable of pushing 100meg plus of mixed traffic.
What are my options? I want to exclude openbsd, or linux with quagga.
Probably looking at Cisco or Juniper products, but interested in any other alternatives people suggest. I realise this is quite a broad question, but hoping this will provide a starting point. Oh and if I have missed any specs I should have included above, please let me know.
Thanks
Adel
Basically the organisation that I'm working for will not have the skills in house to support a linux or bsd box. They will have trouble with supporting the BGP configuration, however I don't think they will be happy with me if I leave them with a linux box when they don't have linux/unix resource internally. At least with a Cisco or Juniper they are familiar with IOS and it won't be too foreign to them.
On Sun 11:47 PM , Dale Rumph <daler@ibbs.com> wrote:
What does your budget look like? A pair of Cisco 7246vxr's with G1's sitting on the edge of the network would be very effective and still allow expansion. Or you could go up to the 7609. However this gear may be slightly overkill. You might be ok with a 3660 enterprise and a ton of ram. I have done single sessions on them but not with the level of HA your looking for.
Just my 2c
You will laugh, but the budget at the moment looks like £13k. Impossible? Do only linux and openbsd solutions remain in the mix for this pittance?
No, you have the buy-it-off-eBay solutions as well. "Beware the fakes." If they're familiar with IOS, then they can be familiar with Quagga about as easily as they could be familiar with a switch or other network gizmo that had a Ciscoesque CLI but wasn't actually Cisco. You've painted yourself into a corner. I have a word for you: Reconsider. I don't care what you reconsider, but reconsider something. You can reconsider taking BGP with a full table. You can reconsider Quagga. Or you can reconsider your budget. This is the end result of the "pick any two" problem. Most end user organizations have no need of full routes in BGP. To try to take them dooms TCAM-based equipment at some future point, though if you have a lot of money to throw at it, you can make that point be years in the future. It is essentially planned obsolescence. If you discard the requirement for full routes, you open up a bunch of reasonably-priced possibilities. Finding someone knowledgeable in BSD or Linux isn't that rough. Unlike a Cisco 76xx router, the hardest part of a Quagga-based solution is finding the right mix of hardware and software at the beginning. PC hardware has a lot going for AND against it. There is no reason you can't make a good router out of a PC. If you buy the Cisco software-based routers, you're essentially buying a prepackaged version, except that it'll be specced to avoid any real competition with their low-end TCAM-based offerings. A contemporary PC can easily route gigabits. Vyatta makes what I hear is a fantastic canned solution of some sort, for a reasonable cost, and they will sell just software or software/hardware. If you really can't put it together yourself, there's someone to do it for you. Reconsidering your budget is probably the most painful thing to do, but also opens up the "just buy big Cisco" option. I think my point here would have to be that what you're looking for would have needed big Cisco... ten years ago. Now, dealing with a few hundred megs of traffic, that's not that big a deal, the thing that's killing you is the BGP table size. Your best option may be to see if you can settle for partial routes plus a default. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
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