Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees
On Tuesday, 20 June, 2017 14:26, "Rod Beck" <rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com> said:
And how do you tell if an address was scraped or not? There are databases and zillions of other ways of gaining addresses.
I doubt you can distinguish the source with any real reliability.
Depending on whether you're registered with personal or corporate email, and how much control you have over the platform in question, you can distinguish the source with fairly high reliability. Just generate a new 'bob+nanog70@bobsdomain.org' style address for every event you register for, every website that requires a contact address, every mailing list, ... If you're concerned that people will twig, and use the naked 'bob@' address, you could work with multiple names including a hash that look like internal nonsense, e.g. 'bob34adf@', or block the un-plussed 'bob@' entirely and use e.g. 'robert@' for people you trust to have your real, non-circumstance-specific email address. I know people who do this, it really depends how much you care about being able to trace and block people who are either scraping or re-selling your details. Regards, Tim.
I'm still not sure people understand the situation. There's an attendee list, but that list doesn't have e-mail addresses. It didn't come from the mailing list. The person looked up who went to the conference and then found their e-mail address elsewhere. I also don't think the above is wrong in any way and people should just get on with their lives. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: tim@pelican.org To: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 8:37:09 AM Subject: Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees On Tuesday, 20 June, 2017 14:26, "Rod Beck" <rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com> said:
And how do you tell if an address was scraped or not? There are databases and zillions of other ways of gaining addresses.
I doubt you can distinguish the source with any real reliability.
Depending on whether you're registered with personal or corporate email, and how much control you have over the platform in question, you can distinguish the source with fairly high reliability. Just generate a new 'bob+nanog70@bobsdomain.org' style address for every event you register for, every website that requires a contact address, every mailing list, ... If you're concerned that people will twig, and use the naked 'bob@' address, you could work with multiple names including a hash that look like internal nonsense, e.g. 'bob34adf@', or block the un-plussed 'bob@' entirely and use e.g. 'robert@' for people you trust to have your real, non-circumstance-specific email address. I know people who do this, it really depends how much you care about being able to trace and block people who are either scraping or re-selling your details. Regards, Tim.
On Tuesday, 20 June, 2017 14:41, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> said:
I'm still not sure people understand the situation. There's an attendee list, but that list doesn't have e-mail addresses. It didn't come from the mailing list. The person looked up who went to the conference and then found their e-mail address elsewhere. I also don't think the above is wrong in any way and people should just get on with their lives.
Fair point, that's a lot harder to tie back to NANOG (although, of course, if you follow the scheme religiously, you *can* find out where they looked you up :) ) Regards, Tim.
Exactly. But some people enjoy complaining. - R. ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:41:13 PM Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees I'm still not sure people understand the situation. There's an attendee list, but that list doesn't have e-mail addresses. It didn't come from the mailing list. The person looked up who went to the conference and then found their e-mail address elsewhere. I also don't think the above is wrong in any way and people should just get on with their lives. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: tim@pelican.org To: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 8:37:09 AM Subject: Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees On Tuesday, 20 June, 2017 14:26, "Rod Beck" <rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com> said:
And how do you tell if an address was scraped or not? There are databases and zillions of other ways of gaining addresses.
I doubt you can distinguish the source with any real reliability.
Depending on whether you're registered with personal or corporate email, and how much control you have over the platform in question, you can distinguish the source with fairly high reliability. Just generate a new 'bob+nanog70@bobsdomain.org' style address for every event you register for, every website that requires a contact address, every mailing list, ... If you're concerned that people will twig, and use the naked 'bob@' address, you could work with multiple names including a hash that look like internal nonsense, e.g. 'bob34adf@', or block the un-plussed 'bob@' entirely and use e.g. 'robert@' for people you trust to have your real, non-circumstance-specific email address. I know people who do this, it really depends how much you care about being able to trace and block people who are either scraping or re-selling your details. Regards, Tim.
In message <583541363.462.1497966071756.JavaMail.mhammett@ThunderFuck>, Mike Ha mmett writes:
I'm still not sure people understand the situation. There's an attendee list, but that list doesn't have e-mail addresses. It didn't come from the mailing list. The person looked up who went to the conference and then found their e-mail address elsewhere. I also don't think the above is wrong in any way and people should just get on with their lives.
When will the US get sane anti-spam laws. No, I don't expect a answer. That behaviour here is illegal. Any Australian company / individual that does this can be fined regardless of where the email is sent from in the world or which third party they hire to do it. If you send to a Australian email address you can also be fined, provided you know it is a Australian address, as you are implicitly doing business in Australia. Remember you are choosing to do business with Australia when you send the email. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
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