Refinement and revisement of "standard" terms and definitions is all well and good. Order of the day and all - we are definitely not a static industry. But tolerance during these redefinitions transitions is indicated unless you *want* to retain the reputation that too many netheads have by upper management views. I know we all didn't get her by being jack@##3#, let's leave that to [insert your favorite whipping boy department here]. K -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of David Barak Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:51 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Cc: valkaryn@valkaryn.net; hansel.lee@corp.winfirst.com Subject: Relative ISP size (was Broadwing) Quoth Karyn:

Just remember that Broadwing is not actually a Tier 1 provider. They are a Tier 2 striving to become a Tier 1. When I was looking at them, I found that you could obtain just as good or better pricing from an actual Tier 1 provider. Check out Exodus, Verio, and Genuity. Last >I checked they were offering some seriously competitive pricing on OCs.

I just thought your list of Tier 1 providers was interesting - that gets back to the (very) old argument about exactly what "Tier-1" means, and that tends to be a religious argument for many. I like the Skitter approach myself - www.caida.org - if they're in red or yellow, they're Tier 1, if purple, tier 2... David Barak "Quis custodes ipsos custodiet?" - Juvenal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/