European equivalent of Equinix?
Not really north american content, except for the using equinix as a comparison: Anyone care to recommend a European equivalent of an Equinix site? (Carrier neutral, well secured space, good power/building/HVAC management; lots of carriers present; ideally with a peering switch; not exorbitant cross connect fees) We're looking at opening our first European datacenter. Thanks
see http://www.telehouse.fr/html/home.asp re: steve@expertcity.com (Steve Francis) writes:
Anyone care to recommend a European equivalent of an Equinix site? (Carrier neutral, well secured space, good power/building/HVAC management; lots of carriers present; ideally with a peering switch; not exorbitant cross connect fees)
We're looking at opening our first European datacenter.
-- Paul Vixie
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 03:24:39PM -0700, Steve Francis wrote:
Not really north american content, except for the using equinix as a comparison: Anyone care to recommend a European equivalent of an Equinix site? (Carrier neutral, well secured space, good power/building/HVAC management; lots of carriers present; ideally with a peering switch; not exorbitant cross connect fees)
We're looking at opening our first European datacenter.
InterXion has quite a few datacenters in Europe. Most of them house (a part of) the local peering infrastructure. They are all carrier neutral, the power/HVAC/security is very good/... Kind Regards, Frank Louwers -- Openminds bvba www.openminds.be Tweebruggenstraat 16 - 9000 Gent - Belgium
On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 00:24, Steve Francis wrote:
Not really north american content, except for the using equinix as a comparison: Anyone care to recommend a European equivalent of an Equinix site? (Carrier neutral, well secured space, good power/building/HVAC management; lots of carriers present; ideally with a peering switch; not exorbitant cross connect fees)
We're looking at opening our first European datacenter.
Well, there are quite a few to choose from, but it depends greatly on where in Europe you are thinking of - certain countries have an abundance of carrier-neutral co-lo available, elsewhere it's practically impossible to find. I personally have good experiences with TeleCity (http://www.telecity.com) in the places I've dealt with them (Stockholm and London). /leg
Monday, May 19, 2003, 11:24:39 PM, Steve wrote:
We're looking at opening our first European datacenter.
I am bit surprised nobody has mentioned redbus yet. http://www.interhouse.redbus.com/ There is also scolocate in Edinburgh, Scotland http://www.scolocate.com (flash only website) Locating in Scotland is always a good excuse to "sample" the local wiskys too :) -- Best regards, Subhi S Hashwa mailto:subhi@thebigboss.com Operations Manager Electronic Corner Limited
On Tue, 20 May 2003, Subhi S Hashwa wrote:
Monday, May 19, 2003, 11:24:39 PM, Steve wrote:
We're looking at opening our first European datacenter.
I am bit surprised nobody has mentioned redbus yet. http://www.interhouse.redbus.com/
There is also scolocate in Edinburgh, Scotland http://www.scolocate.com (flash only website) Locating in Scotland is always a good excuse to "sample" the local wiskys too :)
Europe being quite large perhaps this can be better answered with a specific city in mind? Theres a lot of neutral centres but watch out, many are not that well fibred out.. make sure you have the carriers there that you need. Also keep an eye out for someone who's stable .. a few have gone bankrupt and others may still follow and unlike in the US when a company goes bankrupt theres no safety net ch11, its just switch off and asset sale. Personally I'd use Telehouse or Telecity.. Steve
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:09:13PM +0100, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
Theres a lot of neutral centres but watch out, many are not that well fibred out.. make sure you have the carriers there that you need. Also keep an eye out for someone who's stable .. a few have gone bankrupt and others may still follow and unlike in the US when a company goes bankrupt theres no safety net ch11, its just switch off and asset sale.
Depends on the country. Here in Belgium, there exists a <lang="nl">gerechtelijk akkoord</lang="nl">, which is about the same as ch11, but the conditions are more strict. A year long "gerechtelijk akkoord" would be impossible, and you need to have a restructuring plan BEFORE you ask such a thing. Vriendelijke groeten, Frank Louwers -- Openminds bvba www.openminds.be Tweebruggenstraat 16 - 9000 Gent - Belgium
At 15:18 +0200 20/5/03, Frank Louwers wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:09:13PM +0100, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
Theres a lot of neutral centres but watch out, many are not that well fibred out.. make sure you have the carriers there that you need. Also keep an eye out for someone who's stable .. a few have gone bankrupt and others may still follow and unlike in the US when a company goes bankrupt theres no safety net ch11, its just switch off and asset sale.
Depends on the country. Here in Belgium, there exists a <lang="nl">gerechtelijk akkoord</lang="nl">, which is about the same as ch11, but the conditions are more strict. A year long "gerechtelijk akkoord" would be impossible, and you need to have a restructuring plan BEFORE you ask such a thing.
Likewise in the UK - there is administrative receivership, the company is handed over to the accountants who attempt to sell/resucitate the business. However an indication of where you want to be in Europe would help people advise you. If peering is important http://www.euro-ix.net/isp/choosing/ has a peering matrix showing which ASs appear at which of the 28 member exchange points. There are also maps and lists of IXPs to help you choose a location. f
On Tue, 20 May 2003, Fearghas McKay wrote:
At 15:18 +0200 20/5/03, Frank Louwers wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:09:13PM +0100, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
Theres a lot of neutral centres but watch out, many are not that well fibred out.. make sure you have the carriers there that you need. Also keep an eye out for someone who's stable .. a few have gone bankrupt and others may still follow and unlike in the US when a company goes bankrupt theres no safety net ch11, its just switch off and asset sale.
Depends on the country. Here in Belgium, there exists a <lang="nl">gerechtelijk akkoord</lang="nl">, which is about the same as ch11, but the conditions are more strict. A year long "gerechtelijk akkoord" would be impossible, and you need to have a restructuring plan BEFORE you ask such a thing.
Likewise in the UK - there is administrative receivership, the company is handed over to the accountants who attempt to sell/resucitate the business.
Hmm eg KPNQ just turned off when the receivers walked in... and you could not remove your property until they gave it the all clear some weeks later... Steve
However an indication of where you want to be in Europe would help people advise you.
If peering is important http://www.euro-ix.net/isp/choosing/ has a peering matrix showing which ASs appear at which of the 28 member exchange points. There are also maps and lists of IXPs to help you choose a location.
f
At 15:34 +0100 20/5/03, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
Hmm eg KPNQ just turned off when the receivers walked in... and you could not remove your property until they gave it the all clear some weeks later...
The administrators were probably concerned with ensuring that they had identified who owned what, I would imagine a similar scenario in Ch 11 actions. However my understanding is that when the KPN administrators walked in they kept the business running for as long as possible, certainly in the Netherlands they were routing packets for a few weeks after they were appointed, I don't know about the data centres, but they did not just switch everything off as soon as they arrived. f
http://colofinder.net/exchanges.shtml I know it's not a list of colos, but logical reasoning tells us that major IXes will be located in top tier colo facilities. Does anyone know what building the DE-CIX is located in? Their peak traffic is 12Gb/s. Telehouse Docklands or Telecity (home sites of the LINX) would be good choices, imho... At 11:49 AM 5/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Monday, May 19, 2003, 11:24:39 PM, Steve wrote:
We're looking at opening our first European datacenter.
I am bit surprised nobody has mentioned redbus yet. http://www.interhouse.redbus.com/
There is also scolocate in Edinburgh, Scotland http://www.scolocate.com (flash only website) Locating in Scotland is always a good excuse to "sample" the local wiskys too :)
-- Best regards, Subhi S Hashwa mailto:subhi@thebigboss.com Operations Manager Electronic Corner Limited
On Tue, 27 May 2003, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > I know it's not a list of colos, but logical reasoning tells us > that major IXes will be located in top tier colo facilities. Does > anyone know what building the DE-CIX is located in? Their peak > traffic is 12Gb/s. They're in InterXion Frankfurt: www.pch.net/resources/data/exchange-points/ -Bill
* eric@fnordsystems.com (Eric Kuhnke) [Tue 27 May 2003, 13:15 CEST]:
That duplicates to a large extent http://www.euro-ix.net/isp/choosing/search/matrix.php
I know it's not a list of colos, but logical reasoning tells us that major IXes will be located in top tier colo facilities. Does anyone know what building the DE-CIX is located in? Their peak traffic is 12Gb/s.
InterXion, Frankfurt.
Telehouse Docklands or Telecity (home sites of the LINX) would be good choices, imho...
One of AMS-IX' four locations is Telecity II (Amsterdam). Regards, -- Niels.
At 11:49 AM 5/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Monday, May 19, 2003, 11:24:39 PM, Steve wrote:
We're looking at opening our first European datacenter.
I am bit surprised nobody has mentioned redbus yet. http://www.interhouse.redbus.com/
There is also scolocate in Edinburgh, Scotland http://www.scolocate.com (flash only website) Locating in Scotland is always a good excuse to "sample" the local wiskys too :)
-- Best regards, Subhi S Hashwa mailto:subhi@thebigboss.com Operations Manager Electronic Corner Limited
If you want a neutral evaluation of the various capabilities of the datacenter providers, check out telegeography - http://www.telegeography.com. They have a datacenter and colocation guide which (if it's as thorough as their other guides) should have everything you ever wanted to know and more. The guides are not cheap ($400 or so), but VERY complete, particularly so for European facilities. -David Barak --- Steve Francis <steve@expertcity.com> wrote:
We're looking at opening our first European datacenter. Thanks
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