Re: Black Hole Vixie/RBL
I will at some point today drink enough coffee to gain the self control it would take to not answer crazies. Because that time has not yet come, I can only hope that you, the reader, will delete this message without reading any further. bob@fcn.net (Bob Allisat) writes:
Mr. Vixie and his cohorts increasingly imagine themselves to be the final and ultimate arbiters in matters of Network integrity. Having them sit in judgement over the Black Holing of successive and alleged perpetrators violates numerous protections and freedoms all citizens
Yup. Well, your freedoms anyway. Note that the MAPS RBL is a subscription service; no second and third parties are ever denied the opportunity to communicate freely unless one of them subscribes to the MAPS RBL and the other list listed on it.
It is my opinion that these activities have reached their zenith and something should be done to finally Black Hole Vixie/RBL should they continue on their renegade mission of uncontrolled and arbitrary censorship. Maybe it is time to pull the plug on the ultimate plug pullers, black hole the black holers!
I suppose that you'd prefer "controlled" censorship? Well, anyway, the sysop.com guy is spamming threats far and wide in hopes of scaring away my subscribers, but this doesn't appear to be having his desired effect. Maybe "renegade" is the wrong word? As for your suggestion, I would like it, and I mean I would really, really like it, if you (Bob Allisat) would please blackhole my route in your upstream router. I'm 204.152.184/21. Leave 192.5.4/23 out, since that's where F lives, but I promise that none of my mail or web servers are outside 204.152.184/21. -- Paul Vixie <paul@vix.com>
Paul and fans are running a volunteer service that should be a commercial entity. The main problem here is that they are acting as editors for spam. Is spam that passes the MAPS RBL endorsed? Problematic are ISP's that subscribe without disclosing the fact to their customers (or, in some cases, even to their own management). Dirk On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 09:09:45AM -0800, Paul Vixie wrote:
I will at some point today drink enough coffee to gain the self control it would take to not answer crazies. Because that time has not yet come, I can only hope that you, the reader, will delete this message without reading any further.
bob@fcn.net (Bob Allisat) writes:
Mr. Vixie and his cohorts increasingly imagine themselves to be the final and ultimate arbiters in matters of Network integrity. Having them sit in judgement over the Black Holing of successive and alleged perpetrators violates numerous protections and freedoms all citizens
Yup. Well, your freedoms anyway. Note that the MAPS RBL is a subscription service; no second and third parties are ever denied the opportunity to communicate freely unless one of them subscribes to the MAPS RBL and the other list listed on it.
It is my opinion that these activities have reached their zenith and something should be done to finally Black Hole Vixie/RBL should they continue on their renegade mission of uncontrolled and arbitrary censorship. Maybe it is time to pull the plug on the ultimate plug pullers, black hole the black holers!
I suppose that you'd prefer "controlled" censorship? Well, anyway, the sysop.com guy is spamming threats far and wide in hopes of scaring away my subscribers, but this doesn't appear to be having his desired effect. Maybe "renegade" is the wrong word?
As for your suggestion, I would like it, and I mean I would really, really like it, if you (Bob Allisat) would please blackhole my route in your upstream router. I'm 204.152.184/21. Leave 192.5.4/23 out, since that's where F lives, but I promise that none of my mail or web servers are outside 204.152.184/21. -- Paul Vixie <paul@vix.com>
On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 09:09:45AM -0800, Paul Vixie put this into my mailbox:
I will at some point today drink enough coffee to gain the self control it would take to not answer crazies. Because that time has not yet come, I can only hope that you, the reader, will delete this message without reading any further.
There are two entries in my .procmailrc that help prevent me from replying to the nutbags. Here they are, for anyone else's use: :0 * ^From:.*fleming@unety\.net /dev/null :0 * ^From:.*bob@fcn\.net /dev/null I find reading mail much more worthwhile after these filters are applied. Not only do I have to wade through less crap, but the content seems more intelligent, as well. Consider this my contribution to the NANOG-RBL. I'm sure someone could come up with an equivalent that you can use to configure your routers (hi Randy!). -dalvenjah 'so I just figured out that "maps" is "spam" backwards..' -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "He was the kind of guy who wouldn't Founder, the DALnet IRC Network crack a smile if Strom Thurmond showed up on his driveway doing the Macarena." - Time Mag, on Millenium's Frank Black e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/
On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 02:10:45PM -0800, Dalvenjah FoxFire wrote:
On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 09:09:45AM -0800, Paul Vixie put this into my mailbox:
I will at some point today drink enough coffee to gain the self control it would take to not answer crazies. Because that time has not yet come, I can only hope that you, the reader, will delete this message without reading any further.
There are two entries in my .procmailrc that help prevent me from replying to the nutbags. Here they are, for anyone else's use:
:0 * ^From:.*fleming@unety\.net /dev/null
:0 * ^From:.*bob@fcn\.net /dev/null
I find reading mail much more worthwhile after these filters are applied. Not only do I have to wade through less crap, but the content seems more intelligent, as well.
You know, I have Bob black-holed here as well. However, the dirtbag had to post to NANOG, which I have white-listed in my personal "bite me" list. So guess what - I got a bunch of his shit anyway. Sigh.... sometmies you can't win for losing. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.
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