RE: Verizon IP's and ARIN Records
Hopefully we are the type of organization considered to be somewhat clueful but we have yet to figure out how to get Arin to remove our swip info from a former customer's netblock. It has been years, many many times filling out their forms and more emails then I can count. It was less work to get my /18 assigned then to convince them that I would like my information removed from a /24 that belongs to someone else. :/ And of course these are the kind of (ex)customers who like to get and keep viruses resulting in a continuing effort to get our name off their block. Bil -----Original Message----- From: Steven Champeon [mailto:schampeo@hesketh.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:57 AM To: 'Nanog' Subject: Re: Verizon IP's and ARIN Records on Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:00:55AM -0700, william(at)elan.net wrote:
I'm not sure what will need to happen for ARIN to understand that validity and security of whois data is important and people rely on that all the time and they can't just ignore these issues. Unfortunetly most people who actually use their data also the ones who
really dont have time or interest to participate in ARIN political process and as such are not heard at all.
Well, one thing that has to happen is that ISPs and co-lo providers (such as Inflow, our former - note /former/ - provider) need to "understand that validity and security of whois data is important and people rely on that all the time and they can't just ignore these issues". Which, unfortunately, is what Inflow refused to understand the entire time we were co-lo'd with them, and continue to ignore to this day. I'm not surprised to find that our old netblock is still tagged with my company's name, despite requests to have it updated: Request: 66.45.6.196 connected to whois.arin.net [192.149.252.43:43] ... Inflow NFLO-AR-2 (NET-66-45-0-0-1) 66.45.0.0 - 66.45.127.255 Hesketh INFLOW-55125-5697 (NET-66-45-6-192-1) 66.45.6.192 - 66.45.6.223 # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-06-07 19:15 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. ...because Inflow didn't give a damn when we were paying them, I can't imagine they'd give a damn now that we've decided to pay someone else. We tried for six months to get them to add an abuse contact field to our ARIN record and they wasted dozens of hours explaining that because it was optional they didn't have to do it, when the point was that it was /necessary/, or at least /being actively requested/, and that the way to keep customers isn't to explain how you don't have to do something, but rather to do what the customer asks. I'm glad that RFCi listing didn't have any real effect on our ability to send mail. :-/ But, as I've said, Inflow is our /former/ co-lo provider, so they can go to hell for all I care. But I really wish they, or someone, would clean up our old ARIN records so that the next spammer they host, or netblock that gets hijacked, doesn't suggest, via ARIN, that my company has anything to do with it. Steve -- hesketh.com/inc. v: +1(919)834-2552 f: +1(919)834-2554 w: http://hesketh.com Buy "Cascading Style Sheets: Separating Content from Presentation, 2/e" today! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/159059231X/heskecominc-20/ref=nos im/
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Hopefully we are the type of organization considered to be somewhat clueful but we have yet to figure out how to get Arin to remove our swip info from a former customer's netblock. It has been years, many many times filling out their forms and more emails then I can count. It was less work to get my /18 assigned then to convince them that I would like my information removed from a /24 that belongs to someone else. :/
And of course these are the kind of (ex)customers who like to get and keep viruses resulting in a continuing effort to get our name off their block.
It's unfortunately too true that often the only way to deliver a clue by four is with paper headed by: UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA Us Plaintiff, v. Them Defendant. or your local equal. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
Hopefully we are the type of organization considered to be somewhat clueful but we have yet to figure out how to get Arin to remove our swip info from a former customer's netblock. It has been years, many many times filling out their forms and more emails then I can count. It was less work to get my /18 assigned then to convince them that I would like my information removed from a /24 that belongs to someone else. :/
And of course these are the kind of (ex)customers who like to get and keep viruses resulting in a continuing effort to get our name off their block.
It's unfortunately too true that often the only way to deliver a clue by four is with paper headed by:
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA Us Plaintiff, v. Them Defendant.
or your local equal.
Maybe I can help, I know some folks over there at ARIN and I can call them. They know that I exist as they have met with me; which goes much farther then forms and e-mails without contact. What is the exact nature of the problem and who is the Swip Meister for the allocation? -Peter
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