--- trelane@trelane.net wrote: From: Andrew D Kirch <trelane@trelane.net>
Basically is what it boils down to for me - its easy to blame an NSP/ISP/Hoster for what their clients do, it takes real dedication to find out whats *actually* going on.
: We did, and now we're solving the problem. ------------------------------------------ Apparently, this is what's going on. Making money at the expense of everyone else on the internet: ---------------------------
If I had the ability... I would cut Esthost as a client... But, in doing so, it causes nearly a quarter if not half of the company's monthly revenue to be cut. That is not too good of a move nor reasonably possible ;)
People consider Atrivo/InterCage to be some abuse supporting company...
If only any of you knew what the position would be in a company our size.
It's not as easy as you believe it to be ;)
Russell Mitchell - Russ[at]Atrivo.com Atrivo Technologies
scott
Hi, On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 07:06 -0700, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- trelane@trelane.net wrote: From: Andrew D Kirch <trelane@trelane.net>
Basically is what it boils down to for me - its easy to blame an NSP/ISP/Hoster for what their clients do, it takes real dedication to find out whats *actually* going on.
: We did, and now we're solving the problem. ------------------------------------------
Apparently, this is what's going on. Making money at the expense of everyone else on the internet:
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If I had the ability... I would cut Esthost as a client... But, in doing so, it causes nearly a quarter if not half of the company's monthly revenue to be cut. That is not too good of a move nor reasonably possible ;)
People consider Atrivo/InterCage to be some abuse supporting company...
If only any of you knew what the position would be in a company our size.
It's not as easy as you believe it to be ;)
Russell Mitchell - Russ[at]Atrivo.com Atrivo Technologies
Esthost (the main problem) is actually cut off as of this morning. So actually, they are taking steps to fix the problem. However, as we all know, there is the real story, and then there is the NANOG story. We should keep this all in mind, Intercage are actually trying hard to clean up their network, and now is the time to stop with the whining and actually help them identify the problems. Esthost is a tricky situation because it is a significant portion of their income... but they are offline. I would be reluctant to cut them off too if I were in their position... not because it's the right thing to do, but because they are such a large client that I might not be able to pay the bills at the end of the month. If you were in their position, wouldn't you have concerns about terminating ANY source of income that is that large too? That said, they should have dropped Esthost before it got that big, but they didn't. People make bad choices, but for fucks sake, lets move on already. I have also noticed that most of the people doing the whining aren't even the people who are tracking the problem. Again, a case of the NANOG story verses the real story... William
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 07:12:31PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
That said, they should have dropped Esthost before it got that big, but they didn't.
Didn't you notice that the quoted material was from *three years ago*? And this problem didn't begin three years ago, either. For example:
From furioun@spin.it Fri Dec 5 09:53:14 EST 2003 Article: 1141964 of news.admin.net-abuse.email From: furio ercolessi <furioea@spin.it> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email Subject: AS27595 (Atrivo) here no more Date: 5 Dec 2003 09:29:30 GMT Organization: Spin Internetworking Message-ID: <bqpj5q$6ra$1@half.spin.it> Reply-To: furioun@spin.it NNTP-Posting-Host: photon.spin.it
After several months of spam support including routing of hijacked IP blocks, without apparent traces of non-abuse related IP traffic, our backbone is now stopping the exchange of IP packets with AS27595, currently announcing the following blocks:
Network DNSBL Upstreams --------------- ----- ------------------ 65.124.21.0/24 4474 66.250.145.0/24 S2489 22934 67.130.99.0/24 4474 69.1.78.0/24 S2783 4474, 22934 69.31.64.0/20 S2453 4474 69.31.76.0/22 S2453 4474, 30371 69.50.160.0/20 S2489 4474, 22934, 30371 69.50.176.0/20 S2489 4474, 22934, 30371
AS4474 Global Village Communication, Inc. AS22934 E Broadband Now Inc. AS30371 nLayer Communications, Inc.
We are currently considering an extension of this measure to the three entities above, which also seem to appear repeatedly in connection with network abuses and with very little, if any, legitimate traffic with our customers.
furio ercolessi Spin.it
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