Looking for a Telus tech with a clue to contact me offline regarding an issue that has arisen this week. DISCLAIMER: This communication and any files transmitted with it may contain information that is privileged or confidential and is intended to be for the use of the individual (s) or entity named above. This material may contain confidential or personal information which may be subject to the provisions of the Municipal Freedom of Information & Protection of Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication and any files transmitted with it, any use, review, retransmission, distribution, dissemination, copying, printing, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this communication, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete the original and any copy of this e-mail, and any printout thereof, immediately. Finally, the recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Dryden Police Services Board and the Corporation of the City of Dryden accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.
DISCLAIMER: This communication and any files transmitted with it may contain information that is privileged or confidential and is intended to be for the use of the individual (s) or entity named above. This material may contain confidential or personal information which may be subject to the provisions of the Municipal Freedom of Information & Protection of Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication and any files transmitted with it, any use, review, retransmission, distribution, dissemination, copying, printing, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this communication, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete the original and any copy of this e-mail, and any printout thereof, immediately. Finally, the recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Dryden Police Services Board and the Corporation of the City of Dryden accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.
Wow. I was thinking about answering the question, but now I don't dare. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly PS: I spent ten years as an elected official with no disclaimer in my e-mail, and lived!
Sorry if that came off harsh but per Telus business support there are no mail admins at Telus. -----Original Message----- From: John Levine [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 1:03 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Telus mail server admin
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Wow. I was thinking about answering the question, but now I don't dare. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly PS: I spent ten years as an elected official with no disclaimer in my e-mail, and lived!
DISCLAIMER:... Wow. I was thinking about answering the question, but now I don't dare.
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
PS: I spent ten years as an elected official with no disclaimer in my e-mail, and lived! That's nice for you, but some of us are stuck with a corporate policy
On 10/6/2011 8:02 PM, John Levine wrote: that requires us to use such disclaimers, or face disciplinary actions. The legality and practicality might be questionable but short of quitting and finding other employment over something utterly trivial, what can you do if protests fall on deaf ears? Paul
On 10/7/11 08:26 , Paul Graydon wrote:
DISCLAIMER:... Wow. I was thinking about answering the question, but now I don't dare.
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
PS: I spent ten years as an elected official with no disclaimer in my e-mail, and lived! That's nice for you, but some of us are stuck with a corporate policy
On 10/6/2011 8:02 PM, John Levine wrote: that requires us to use such disclaimers, or face disciplinary actions. The legality and practicality might be questionable but short of quitting and finding other employment over something utterly trivial, what can you do if protests fall on deaf ears?
Subscribe from your personal account.
Paul
On 10/7/2011 5:30 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote:
On 10/7/11 08:26 , Paul Graydon wrote:
DISCLAIMER:... Wow. I was thinking about answering the question, but now I don't dare.
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
PS: I spent ten years as an elected official with no disclaimer in my e-mail, and lived! That's nice for you, but some of us are stuck with a corporate policy
On 10/6/2011 8:02 PM, John Levine wrote: that requires us to use such disclaimers, or face disciplinary actions. The legality and practicality might be questionable but short of quitting and finding other employment over something utterly trivial, what can you do if protests fall on deaf ears? Subscribe from your personal account.
Which I do. But note the original complaint was not about using ridiculously long disclaimers on a mailing list, it was about the ridiculously long disclaimer, full stop. Paul
Girls. You're both pretty. Really. Move on. -Hammer- "I was a normal American nerd" -Jack Herer On 10/07/2011 10:40 AM, Paul Graydon wrote:
On 10/7/2011 5:30 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote:
On 10/7/11 08:26 , Paul Graydon wrote:
DISCLAIMER:... Wow. I was thinking about answering the question, but now I don't dare.
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
PS: I spent ten years as an elected official with no disclaimer in my e-mail, and lived! That's nice for you, but some of us are stuck with a corporate policy
On 10/6/2011 8:02 PM, John Levine wrote: that requires us to use such disclaimers, or face disciplinary actions. The legality and practicality might be questionable but short of quitting and finding other employment over something utterly trivial, what can you do if protests fall on deaf ears? Subscribe from your personal account.
Which I do. But note the original complaint was not about using ridiculously long disclaimers on a mailing list, it was about the ridiculously long disclaimer, full stop.
Paul
On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:40:39 -1000, Paul Graydon said:
Which I do. But note the original complaint was not about using ridiculously long disclaimers on a mailing list, it was about the ridiculously long disclaimer, full stop.
If your corporate policy insists on huge disclaimers regarding confidential information on e-mails sent to public maling lists, it's busticated, pure and simple. And unless somebody can cite actual statute or case law where such a blanket disclaimer made an *actual difference*, the policy *in general* is busticated. Yes, I know that it *does* matter for *some specific* content. But the only case law I know of was one judge who (in an unfortunately non-precidential way) said the fact that a company felt the need to put a blanket disclaimer on all the e-mail was doing itself a dis-favor, because it tended to indicate that the company had no clue or control over what content was in fact privileged or confidential.
I'd like to see it made list policy that anyone posting with such an appended threat be given exactly what they're demanding -- i.e., unsubscribed immediately and permanently. Please see: Stupid E-mail Disclaimers and the Stupid Users that Use Them http://attrition.org/security/rants/z/disclaimers.html and Don't Send Bogus Legalistic Boilerplate http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/#legalistic I'd also like to point out that this is the 3rd request for mail system assistance that's shown up here today (so far); all of these should have been sent to "mailop" instead. ---rsk
On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:43:00 EDT, Rich Kulawiec said:
I'd like to see it made list policy that anyone posting with such an appended threat be given exactly what they're demanding -- i.e., unsubscribed immediately and permanently.
Every once in a while, I reply back and remind the person with the disclaimer that just hitting delete doesn't *actually* get rid of the message, and ask if their organization is willing to reimburse us for the costs of *securely* erasing the offending message off our inbound mail gateway, the AV/spam scanners, the central mail routing hub, the mailbox store, and the backups of all of those systems. (And let me tell you - dissapearing a specific piece of data off an NSR Legato backup without losing all the other data on the backup is *really* hard. Trust me on this one. ;) For some reason, they almost never reply in the affirmative. ;)
That's nice for you, but some of us are stuck with a corporate policy that requires us to use such disclaimers, or face disciplinary actions.
Not to seem unsympathetic or anything, but it's not my problem if your management are idiots. Sometimes when I get a message with particularly obnoxious boilerplate threats I write back and tell them that I'm unable to answer their question since I don't accept their purported contract. And, of course, "just ignore the boilerplate" is out of the question, since if they don't have authority to remove the threat, they surely don't have authority to waive it. R's, John
That's nice for you, but some of us are stuck with a corporate policy that requires us to use such disclaimers, or face disciplinary actions.
Not to seem unsympathetic or anything, but it's not my problem if your management are idiots.
Sometimes when I get a message with particularly obnoxious boilerplate threats I write back and tell them that I'm unable to answer their question since I don't accept their purported contract. And, of course, "just ignore the boilerplate" is out of the question, since if they don't have authority to remove the threat, they surely don't have authority to waive it.
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On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 04:58:09AM -0000, John Levine wrote:
That's nice for you, but some of us are stuck with a corporate policy that requires us to use such disclaimers, or face disciplinary actions.
Not to seem unsympathetic or anything, but it's not my problem if your management are idiots.
I, for one, never use a corporate account to access mailing lists. My career has spanned many jobs, and I prefer to have a contiguous footprint that _I_ control...
R's, John
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