RE: CIA Warns of Chinese Plans for Cyber-Attacks on U.S.
I'm happy to take the blame for the real problem. Exactly what am I taking the blame for? Deepak Jain AiNET -----Original Message----- From: todd glassey [mailto:todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:43 AM To: Joel Jaeggli; Deepak Jain Cc: blitz; nanog@trapdoor.merit.edu Subject: Re: CIA Warns of Chinese Plans for Cyber-Attacks on U.S. SNIP-
We're off-topic, but I'd say that cyberterrorismis far less expensive to create than invasion or nuclear weapons.
And they are much easier to stop. Just turn off the routers such that China is its own sealed-in infrastructure. But if its China's money you are after then you will have to build something akin to a "demarcation gateway" between China and the rest of the world and then who cares what is done inside China. Or you will ultimately be held liable for your custiomer's attacks against the rest of the world... You operators still dont seem to get that YOU are the real problem here. Todd Glassey
Deepak Jain AiNET
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of blitz Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:33 PM To: nanog@trapdoor.merit.edu Subject: RE: CIA Warns of Chinese Plans for Cyber-Attacks on U.S.
I put nothing past them, of course theyre not alone, as we all must
assume
by now. Theyve threatened to nuke LA if we interfere with their plans to take Tiawan by force, and smile and say, kill 300 million of us, do us a favor. Kinda hard to deal with an enemy like that.
At 18:01 4/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
Is it really hard to believe that the Chinese government would actively fund cyberterrorism?
Deepak Jain AiNET
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Jaeggli Academic User Services joelja@darkwing.uoregon.edu -- PGP Key Fingerprint: 1DE9 8FCA 51FB 4195 B42A 9C32 A30D 121E -- In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of the scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
Only half tongue in cheek, does anyone know of a consise resource pointing out the netblocks allocated to .kr, etc so I can answer my own "How do I configure my router for ...." question that Randy will inevitably bring up? ========================================================================== Eric Germann CCTec ekgermann@cctec.com Van Wert OH 45801 http://www.cctec.com Ph: 419 968 2640 Fax: 603 825 5893 "The fact that there are actually ways of knowing and characterizing the extent of ones ignorance, while still remaining ignorant, may ultimately be more interesting and useful to people than Yarkovsky" -- Jon Giorgini of NASAs Jet Propulsion Laboratory
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Deepak Jain Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:43 PM To: todd glassey; Joel Jaeggli Cc: blitz; nanog@trapdoor.merit.edu Subject: RE: CIA Warns of Chinese Plans for Cyber-Attacks on U.S.
I'm happy to take the blame for the real problem. Exactly what am I taking the blame for?
Deepak Jain AiNET
-----Original Message----- From: todd glassey [mailto:todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:43 AM To: Joel Jaeggli; Deepak Jain Cc: blitz; nanog@trapdoor.merit.edu Subject: Re: CIA Warns of Chinese Plans for Cyber-Attacks on U.S.
SNIP-
We're off-topic, but I'd say that cyberterrorismis far less
expensive to
create than invasion or nuclear weapons.
And they are much easier to stop. Just turn off the routers such that China is its own sealed-in infrastructure. But if its China's money you are after then you will have to build something akin to a "demarcation gateway" between China and the rest of the world and then who cares what is done inside China. Or you will ultimately be held liable for your custiomer's attacks against the rest of the world...
You operators still dont seem to get that YOU are the real problem here.
Todd Glassey
Deepak Jain AiNET
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of blitz Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:33 PM To: nanog@trapdoor.merit.edu Subject: RE: CIA Warns of Chinese Plans for Cyber-Attacks on U.S.
I put nothing past them, of course theyre not alone, as we all must
assume
by now. Theyve threatened to nuke LA if we interfere with their plans to take Tiawan by force, and smile and say, kill 300 million of us, do us a favor. Kinda hard to deal with an enemy like that.
At 18:01 4/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
Is it really hard to believe that the Chinese government would actively fund cyberterrorism?
Deepak Jain AiNET
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Joel Jaeggli Academic User Services joelja@darkwing.uoregon.edu -- PGP Key Fingerprint: 1DE9 8FCA 51FB 4195 B42A 9C32 A30D 121E -- In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of the scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
http://www.apnic.net/apnic-bin/ipv4-by-country.pl?country=kr Should do the trick.. for IPv4... --Chad On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Eric Germann wrote:
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:03:35 -0400 From: Eric Germann <ekgermann@cctec.com> To: deepak@ai.net Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: CIA Warns of Chinese Plans for Cyber-Attacks on U.S.
Only half tongue in cheek, does anyone know of a consise resource pointing out the netblocks allocated to .kr, etc so I can answer my own
"How do I configure my router for ...." question that Randy will inevitably bring up?
========================================================================== Eric Germann CCTec ekgermann@cctec.com Van Wert OH 45801 http://www.cctec.com Ph: 419 968 2640 Fax: 603 825 5893
"The fact that there are actually ways of knowing and characterizing the extent of one�s ignorance, while still remaining ignorant, may ultimately be more interesting and useful to people than Yarkovsky"
-- Jon Giorgini of NASA�s Jet Propulsion Laboratory
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Deepak Jain Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:43 PM To: todd glassey; Joel Jaeggli Cc: blitz; nanog@trapdoor.merit.edu Subject: RE: CIA Warns of Chinese Plans for Cyber-Attacks on U.S.
I'm happy to take the blame for the real problem. Exactly what am I taking the blame for?
Deepak Jain AiNET
-----Original Message----- From: todd glassey [mailto:todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:43 AM To: Joel Jaeggli; Deepak Jain Cc: blitz; nanog@trapdoor.merit.edu Subject: Re: CIA Warns of Chinese Plans for Cyber-Attacks on U.S.
SNIP-
We're off-topic, but I'd say that cyberterrorismis far less
expensive to
create than invasion or nuclear weapons.
And they are much easier to stop. Just turn off the routers such that China is its own sealed-in infrastructure. But if its China's money you are after then you will have to build something akin to a "demarcation gateway" between China and the rest of the world and then who cares what is done inside China. Or you will ultimately be held liable for your custiomer's attacks against the rest of the world...
You operators still dont seem to get that YOU are the real problem here.
Todd Glassey
Deepak Jain AiNET
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of blitz Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:33 PM To: nanog@trapdoor.merit.edu Subject: RE: CIA Warns of Chinese Plans for Cyber-Attacks on U.S.
I put nothing past them, of course theyre not alone, as we all must
assume
by now. Theyve threatened to nuke LA if we interfere with their plans to take Tiawan by force, and smile and say, kill 300 million of us, do us a favor. Kinda hard to deal with an enemy like that.
At 18:01 4/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
Is it really hard to believe that the Chinese government would actively fund cyberterrorism?
Deepak Jain AiNET
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Joel Jaeggli Academic User Services joelja@darkwing.uoregon.edu -- PGP Key Fingerprint: 1DE9 8FCA 51FB 4195 B42A 9C32 A30D 121E -- In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of the scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
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Eric Germann