quick update #2 (Sprint continues to defend network terrorism)
Just got off the phone with Sprint Security again, they absolutely refuse to stop the continuing (as of 15:40 EST Sat 1/4/97) mail bombing / mail loop of world.std.com from iq-internet.com, about 1,000 msgs today so far, well into the third full day of this. Understand: Sprint absolutely refuses to put ONE route block into their router at iq-internet.com between them and std.com. I did not ask them to shut the host down, shut their internet access down, etc. I simply laid out the problem of one site sending thousands upon thousands of msgs at us in a software loop, all going down a rathole (since we're blocking them), and asked Sprint to just please block this one route between us (and, with luck, deal with their customer but that's their problem ultimately.) Sprint refuses, apparently asserting that this one host has every legal right to bomb my (or I assume any) host with anything he likes via a Sprint connection and they will not acknowledge the possibility that this is merely software at his end out of control, or a person so malicious in their action that this one action should be blocked until it can be looked into, one action, merely the single path between iq-internet.com and std.com. Actually, the tone of the person I just spoke to at Sprint just now indicated to me they, meaning the individuals within Sprint security, may be now allowing this to go on purposely because they're now (since they're impotent to do anything about all this) getting annoyed with me calling them and asking them to please stop this every few hours etc. Well, sorry Sprint, so long as this guy keeps bombing my system non-stop I'm going to keep asking you to stop it every few hours (that's all that's gone on.) I'm not going to let you later say "hey we didn't know why didn't you tell us we thought it stopped!" etc. Sprint has now abandoned all rights or claims to be treated as reasonable people or fairly, they've had three days to assert their responsibility, others will now have to take responsibility for their absolutely reckless behavior. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | http://www.std.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989
Barry Shein writes...
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Understand: Sprint absolutely refuses to put ONE route block into their router at iq-internet.com between them and std.com.
So what's the huge difference here between Sprint putting the filter on one of their routers and you putting it on one of yours? Can your routers not afford the extra CPU? If they can, then just filter them and be done with it. Heck, use Paul's OSPF anti-spam prevention to be extra sure. -- Matt Ranney - mjr@ranney.com This is how I sign all my messages.
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Barry Shein wrote:
Understand: Sprint absolutely refuses to put ONE route block into their router at iq-internet.com between them and std.com.
Last night I asked you if you were a Sprint customer. You haven't answered that question. In any case Sprint is 100% right in not placing a filter into their router at iq-internet.com. If you want a filter because your bandwidth is suffering, then ask *YOUR* provider to put the filter in their router at the port to *YOUR* connection.
Actually, the tone of the person I just spoke to at Sprint just now indicated to me they, meaning the individuals within Sprint security, may be now allowing this to go on purposely because they're now (since they're impotent to do anything about all this)
They certainly are not impotent. Sprint has an abuse policy that states that a customer *MUST* not continue to send email when asked to stop. They have recently cut off a spam haven in Seattle when presented with clear evidence that this policy was being violated. And iq-internet.com *IS* violating Sprint's policy. I asked to be removed following their instructions but since that time I've gotten two more spams.
Sprint has now abandoned all rights or claims to be treated as reasonable people or fairly, they've had three days to assert their responsibility, others will now have to take responsibility for their absolutely reckless behavior.
You are the one who is being unreasonable. So far you are telling us that an automated process on your machine and an automated process at iq-internet.com are stuck in an email loop. I've asked you if you have any evidence that this flood is NOT being caused by your bounceback. Others have suggested that you blackhole the site in your router. And you have ben told how to subscribe to an automated spam blocking service via OSPF from http://www.vix.com/spam The question is, why aren't you doing something more than complain to us. If you are going to bring up the matter here, then we need some cold hard facts of a technical nature. Not emotional outbursts about how Sprint won't do what you want. We can't change Sprint's mind for you. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Barry Shein wrote:
Just got off the phone with Sprint Security again, they absolutely refuse to stop the continuing (as of 15:40 EST Sat 1/4/97) mail bombing / mail loop of world.std.com from iq-internet.com, about 1,000 msgs today so far, well into the third full day of this.
Please pardon a lurker for jumping in for a moment, but this whole thing seems blown out of proportion. Your message, sent about 4:00pm, said you received 1,000 messages so far in that day. 4:00pm is 16 hours, or 960 minutes into the day. So, on the average, you received one message a minute (correct?). Unless these are very large messages, it hardly seems worth the discussion here. I'm not even sure if falls into the category of "mail bombing" or "terrorism"; "mail loop" and "ignorance", perhaps... Peter -- Peter Murray, Library Systems Manager pem@po.cwru.edu Library Information Technologies http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio W:216-368-8989
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