From: James Baldwin
This had _nothing_ to do with the source code that was stolen. I have dealt with Lynn professionally on many occasions and he has shown himself to have more than a fair share of integrity. It is uncalled for to take to disparate events and place them together in a way which smudges the name of a respected researcher.
I don't see any smearing of anybody's name. What I do see is speculation, which is to say, "reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition." In otherwords, J offered a "guess" that the two might be related and certainly wasn't pointing fingers as if that was the definitive reason. It sometimes happens that seemingly disparate events are actually linked, so it was not an entirely illogical guess. -JFO Jason "Feren" Olsen DeVry, Inc. Senior Network Engineer One Tower Lane Em: jolsen@devry.com Oakbrook Terrace, IL 60181-4624 Ph: 630.645.1607 INOC-DBA: 19258*526 Fx: 630.382.2929
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 04:14:30PM -0500, Olsen, Jason wrote:
From: James Baldwin
This had _nothing_ to do with the source code that was stolen. I have dealt with Lynn professionally on many occasions and he has shown himself to have more than a fair share of integrity. It is uncalled for to take to disparate events and place them together in a way which smudges the name of a respected researcher.
I don't see any smearing of anybody's name. What I do see is speculation, which is to say, "reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition." In otherwords, J offered a "guess" that the two might be related and certainly wasn't pointing fingers as if that was the definitive reason.
It sometimes happens that seemingly disparate events are actually linked, so it was not an entirely illogical guess.
-JFO
Given that it was clear that Lynn had NDA access to the Cisco source code already, it seems pretty clear that the original poster wasn't even speculating that he had stolen it, but to potential exploiters' having done so. Eh? -- Joe Yao ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This message is not an official statement of OSIS Center policies.
On Jul 28, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Joseph S D Yao wrote:
Given that it was clear that Lynn had NDA access to the Cisco source code already, it seems pretty clear that the original poster wasn't even speculating that he had stolen it, but to potential exploiters' having done so. Eh?
Lynn did not have NDA access to the Cisco source.
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 02:04:28PM -0400, James Baldwin wrote:
On Jul 28, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Joseph S D Yao wrote:
Given that it was clear that Lynn had NDA access to the Cisco source code already, it seems pretty clear that the original poster wasn't even speculating that he had stolen it, but to potential exploiters' having done so. Eh?
Lynn did not have NDA access to the Cisco source.
My apologies, I read something into what had been posted. But I still don't see that anyone ever remotely suggested that Lynn had anything to do with earlier thefts. -- Joe Yao ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This message is not an official statement of OSIS Center policies.
* James Baldwin:
On Jul 28, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Joseph S D Yao wrote:
Given that it was clear that Lynn had NDA access to the Cisco source code already, it seems pretty clear that the original poster wasn't even speculating that he had stolen it, but to potential exploiters' having done so. Eh?
Lynn did not have NDA access to the Cisco source.
But this bug was probably coordinated via IT-ISAC, and ISS, as its host organization, had access to some information provided by Cisco under NDA. ISS might have some kind of Chinese Wall, but depending on their contracts, this may or may not affected what they can disclose at what time. All in all, this doesn't look like the typical "vendor tries to squelch independent research" incident. I also wonder what the impact on the IT-ISAC information sharing club will be, and on the future of ISS as a company.
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