Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN
http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/russian-police-and-internet-registry-accus... Some quotes from the article - Internet registry RIPE NCC turned a blind eye to cybercrime, and Russian police corruption helped the perpetrators get away with it, according to the UK Serious Organised Crime Agency [...] "RIPE was being paid by RBN for that service, for its IP allocation," he said. "Essentially what you have - and I make no apologies for saying this is - if you were going to interpret this very harshly RIPE as the IP allocation body was receiving criminal funds and therefore RIPE was involved in money laundering offences," said Auld. [...] "All we could get there was a disruption, we weren't able to get a prosecution in Russia," admitted Auld. "Our biggest concern is where did RBN go? Our information suggests that RBN is back in business but now pursuing a slightly different business model which is bad news." [...] "Where you have got LIRs (Local Internet Registries) set up to run a criminal business- that is criminal actvity being taken by the regional internet registries themselves. "So what we are trying to do is work with them to make internet governance a somewhat less permissive environment for criminals and make it more about protecting consumers and individuals," added Auld. RBN looked legitimate, says RIPE NCC In response to the comments that it could be accused of being involved in criminal activity, Paul Rendek, head of external relations and communications at RIPE NCC said that the organisation has very strict guidelines for dealing with LIRs. "The RBN was accepted as an LIR based on our checklists," he said." Our checklists include the provision of proof that a prospective LIR has the necessary legal documentation, which proves that a business is bona fide." etc
Since we're on the subject, here is where RBN went: inetnum: 91.202.60.0 - 91.202.63.255 netname: AKRINO-NET descr: Akrino Inc country: VG org: ORG-AI38-RIPE admin-c: IVM27-RIPE tech-c: IVM27-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PI mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT mnt-by: MNT-AKRINO mnt-lower: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT mnt-routes: MNT-AKRINO mnt-domains: MNT-AKRINO source: RIPE # Filtered organisation: ORG-AI38-RIPE org-name: Akrino Inc org-type: OTHER address: Akrino Inc. address: P.O.Box 146 Trident Chambers address: Road Town, Tortola address: BVI e-mail: noc.akrino@gmail.com mnt-ref: MNT-AKRINO mnt-by: MNT-AKRINO source: RIPE # Filtered person: Igoren V Murzak address: Akrino Inc address: P.O.Box 146 Trident Chambers address: Road Town, Tortola address: BVI phone: +1 914 5952753 e-mail: noc.akrino@gmail.com nic-hdl: IVM27-RIPE mnt-by: MNT-AKRINO source: RIPE # Filtered % Information related to '91.202.60.0/22AS44571' route: 91.202.60.0/22 descr: AKRINO BLOCK origin: AS44571 mnt-by: MNT-AKRINO source: RIPE # Filtered On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/russian-police-and-internet-registry-accus...
Some quotes from the article -
Internet registry RIPE NCC turned a blind eye to cybercrime, and Russian police corruption helped the perpetrators get away with it, according to the UK Serious Organised Crime Agency
[...]
"RIPE was being paid by RBN for that service, for its IP allocation," he said. "Essentially what you have - and I make no apologies for saying this is - if you were going to interpret this very harshly RIPE as the IP allocation body was receiving criminal funds and therefore RIPE was involved in money laundering offences," said Auld.
[...]
"All we could get there was a disruption, we weren't able to get a prosecution in Russia," admitted Auld. "Our biggest concern is where did RBN go? Our information suggests that RBN is back in business but now pursuing a slightly different business model which is bad news."
[...]
"Where you have got LIRs (Local Internet Registries) set up to run a criminal business- that is criminal actvity being taken by the regional internet registries themselves. "So what we are trying to do is work with them to make internet governance a somewhat less permissive environment for criminals and make it more about protecting consumers and individuals," added Auld. RBN looked legitimate, says RIPE NCC
In response to the comments that it could be accused of being involved in criminal activity, Paul Rendek, head of external relations and communications at RIPE NCC said that the organisation has very strict guidelines for dealing with LIRs.
"The RBN was accepted as an LIR based on our checklists," he said." Our checklists include the provision of proof that a prospective LIR has the necessary legal documentation, which proves that a business is bona fide."
etc
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So considering they're widely regarded as a criminal network hosting the more dodgy/dangerous stuff on the net, surely we could 'protect' our customers by blocking the 91.202.60.0/22 range? Consider that can of worms opened :o) Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Lyon [mailto:jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net] Sent: 24 October 2009 08:18 To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN Since we're on the subject, here is where RBN went: inetnum: 91.202.60.0 - 91.202.63.255 netname: AKRINO-NET descr: Akrino Inc country: VG org: ORG-AI38-RIPE admin-c: IVM27-RIPE tech-c: IVM27-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PI mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT mnt-by: MNT-AKRINO mnt-lower: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT mnt-routes: MNT-AKRINO mnt-domains: MNT-AKRINO source: RIPE # Filtered organisation: ORG-AI38-RIPE org-name: Akrino Inc org-type: OTHER address: Akrino Inc. address: P.O.Box 146 Trident Chambers address: Road Town, Tortola address: BVI e-mail: noc.akrino@gmail.com mnt-ref: MNT-AKRINO mnt-by: MNT-AKRINO source: RIPE # Filtered person: Igoren V Murzak address: Akrino Inc address: P.O.Box 146 Trident Chambers address: Road Town, Tortola address: BVI phone: +1 914 5952753 e-mail: noc.akrino@gmail.com nic-hdl: IVM27-RIPE mnt-by: MNT-AKRINO source: RIPE # Filtered % Information related to '91.202.60.0/22AS44571' route: 91.202.60.0/22 descr: AKRINO BLOCK origin: AS44571 mnt-by: MNT-AKRINO source: RIPE # Filtered On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/russian-police-and-internet-registry-a ccused-of-aiding-cybercrime-2165
Some quotes from the article -
Internet registry RIPE NCC turned a blind eye to cybercrime, and
corruption helped the perpetrators get away with it, according to the UK Serious Organised Crime Agency
[...]
"RIPE was being paid by RBN for that service, for its IP allocation," he said. "Essentially what you have - and I make no apologies for saying this is - if you were going to interpret this very harshly RIPE as the IP allocation body was receiving criminal funds and therefore RIPE was involved in money laundering offences," said Auld.
[...]
"All we could get there was a disruption, we weren't able to get a
in Russia," admitted Auld. "Our biggest concern is where did RBN go? Our information suggests that RBN is back in business but now pursuing a slightly different business model which is bad news."
[...]
"Where you have got LIRs (Local Internet Registries) set up to run a criminal business- that is criminal actvity being taken by the regional internet registries themselves. "So what we are trying to do is work with them to make internet governance a somewhat less permissive environment for criminals and make it more about protecting consumers and individuals," added Auld. RBN looked legitimate, says RIPE NCC
In response to the comments that it could be accused of being involved in criminal activity, Paul Rendek, head of external relations and communications at RIPE NCC said that the organisation has very strict guidelines for dealing with LIRs.
"The RBN was accepted as an LIR based on our checklists," he said." Our checklists include the provision of proof that a prospective LIR has
Russian police prosecution the
necessary legal documentation, which proves that a business is bona fide."
etc
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Accusing RIPE of complicity is in my opinion abusive. So when a RBN member buys a burger at MacDonald's, should we consider MacDo accepts money from RBN while helping them to run their "business" as they feed the criminal member?
Indeed. If they bought fries and a drink that's two counts. Jeff On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Benjamin Billon <bbillon-ml@splio.fr> wrote:
Accusing RIPE of complicity is in my opinion abusive. So when a RBN member buys a burger at MacDonald's, should we consider MacDo accepts money from RBN while helping them to run their "business" as they feed the criminal member?
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On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/russian-police-and-internet-registry-accus...
With more on that: http://www.ripe.net/news/rbn.html "Press coverage this week portrayed the RIPE NCC as being involved with the criminal network provider Russian Business Network (RBN). Any connection with criminal activity, or with RBN itself, is completely unfounded. The press coverage arose from a speech given by the Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) in the UK. SOCA has since contacted the RIPE NCC with an apology. The RIPE NCC will continue to work with SOCA and other bodies to ensure criminal investigations can be carried out in an efficient manner within established laws and guidelines." MarcoH
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Marco Hogewoning <marcoh@marcoh.net> wrote:
On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: \>> http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/russian-police-and-internet-registry-accus...
With more on that: http://www.ripe.net/news/rbn.html
I am glad this ugly situation has been resolved - and I do wish the resolution gets better coverage than this. suresh
On 24 okt 2009, at 14:36, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Marco Hogewoning <marcoh@marcoh.net> wrote:
On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: \>> http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/russian-police-and-internet-registry-accus...
With more on that: http://www.ripe.net/news/rbn.html
I am glad this ugly situation has been resolved - and I do wish the resolution gets better coverage than this.
It finally hit the press as well: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/174651/uk_police_smooth_over_r... MarcoH
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