Internic doesn't care about valid contact information
While we are at the discussion about contact information from the Internic... Internic doesn't care at all what you enter in the address, name, contact info etc - as long as you are paying for it. According to the agreement which you must agree to for requesting a domain name (http://www.internic.net/help/agreement.txt, paragraph K), you are supposed to give them the correct information. But I came accross a whois entry which was completly fake (like phone number of 111-111-1111, non-existing address in a non-existing city etc. The only (probably) correct part was a email address - which is one of the web-based anonymous emails.) I'm not talking about possible wrong (outdated) contact info - this case was clear that the person which registered the domain name didn't care about giving correct information and didn't hide it at all. When I mailed a copy of this to Internic and asked them how this fits their agreement.. I mainly got the following information: [...] "Although we are concerned about the validity of information in the WHOIS database, it is the responsibility of the domain name registrant to maintain current information. Erroneous or incorrect information, such as an invalid phone number or a non-functioning e-mail address is not just cause for cancellation of a domain name. Domain names are only deleted at the request of the registrant or via our normal billing cycles." [...] Oh well.. it certainly helps the Internet community if you are now allowed to register completly anonymous domain names. - Martin Winter (speaking for himself only)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Send it to Chuck Gomes, he says that they will act on ones reported to them. - - James D. Wilson "non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem" William of Ockham (1285-1347/49) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of mwinter@exodus.net Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 4:53 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Internic doesn't care about valid contact information While we are at the discussion about contact information from the Internic... Internic doesn't care at all what you enter in the address, name, contact info etc - as long as you are paying for it. According to the agreement which you must agree to for requesting a domain name (http://www.internic.net/help/agreement.txt, paragraph K), you are supposed to give them the correct information. But I came accross a whois entry which was completly fake (like phone number of 111-111-1111, non-existing address in a non-existing city etc. The only (probably) correct part was a email address - which is one of the web-based anonymous emails.) I'm not talking about possible wrong (outdated) contact info - this case was clear that the person which registered the domain name didn't care about giving correct information and didn't hide it at all. When I mailed a copy of this to Internic and asked them how this fits their agreement.. I mainly got the following information: [...] "Although we are concerned about the validity of information in the WHOIS database, it is the responsibility of the domain name registrant to maintain current information. Erroneous or incorrect information, such as an invalid phone number or a non-functioning e-mail address is not just cause for cancellation of a domain name. Domain names are only deleted at the request of the registrant or via our normal billing cycles." [...] Oh well.. it certainly helps the Internet community if you are now allowed to register completly anonymous domain names. - - Martin Winter (speaking for himself only) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2 Comment: Spammers are NetAbusers - Jail Them With The Other Criminals iQA/AwUBNt9OgjAufbtGOmgdEQIFdgCgtqJFV7cZJ+kJLSz9lZM5ayWW9akAn2BI KetUUB7OkCf9/aNNiSR/VSHL =eSS7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Amazing.. I'll contact him. But the answer i got from Internic was the don't care answer from below. I could not believe it and mailed them again, asking them to confirm it and they confirmed it. This is not about a single domain anyway.. I just came across this specific one and wanted to know what the policy of Internic is if someone points them to their own agreement and a domain which violates it. Maybe Chuck is able to restore some faith I had into them. But I would prefer it if everyone at Internic would follow the same policy. - Martin Winter On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, James D. Wilson wrote:
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Send it to Chuck Gomes, he says that they will act on ones reported to them.
- - James D. Wilson
"non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem" William of Ockham (1285-1347/49)
- -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of mwinter@exodus.net Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 4:53 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Internic doesn't care about valid contact information
While we are at the discussion about contact information from the Internic...
Internic doesn't care at all what you enter in the address, name, contact info etc - as long as you are paying for it.
According to the agreement which you must agree to for requesting a domain name (http://www.internic.net/help/agreement.txt, paragraph K),
you are supposed to give them the correct information.
But I came accross a whois entry which was completly fake (like phone number of 111-111-1111, non-existing address in a non-existing city etc. The only (probably) correct part was a email address - which is one of
the web-based anonymous emails.) I'm not talking about possible wrong (outdated) contact info - this case was clear that the person which registered the domain name didn't care about giving correct information and didn't hide it at all.
When I mailed a copy of this to Internic and asked them how this fits their agreement.. I mainly got the following information: [...] "Although we are concerned about the validity of information in the WHOIS database, it is the responsibility of the domain name registrant to maintain current information. Erroneous or incorrect information, such as an invalid phone number or a non-functioning e-mail address is not just cause for cancellation of a domain name. Domain names are only deleted at the request of the registrant or via our normal billing cycles." [...]
Oh well.. it certainly helps the Internet community if you are now allowed to register completly anonymous domain names.
- - Martin Winter (speaking for himself only)
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On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 08:05:49PM -0800, mwinter@exodus.net wrote:
Amazing.. I'll contact him. But the answer i got from Internic was the don't care answer from below. I could not believe it and mailed them again, asking them to confirm it and they confirmed it. This is not about a single domain anyway.. I just came across this specific one and wanted to know what the policy of Internic is if someone points them to their own agreement and a domain which violates it.
Let me know if they do indeed delete the domain. Let all of us know. -- Steve Sobol sjsobol@nacs.net (AKA support@nacs.net and abuse@nacs.net) "The world is headed for mutiny/When all we want is unity" --Creed, "One"
[ On Thursday, March 4, 1999 at 23:36:58 (-0500), Steven J. Sobol wrote: ]
Subject: Re: Internic doesn't care about valid contact information
Let me know if they do indeed delete the domain. Let all of us know.
Please do. I've been fighting with them about this for ages and have a huge mailbox full of response from my reports of false whois data, including repsonses that seem to be from a human but which clearly indicate that the person didn't even read my e-mail, let alone their own agreement about what's required of domain holders. In fact I've given up reporting even the obviously falsified data because it's just too frustrating to get such responses back from them. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP <gwoods@acm.org> <robohack!woods> Planix, Inc. <woods@planix.com>; Secrets of the Weird <woods@weird.com>
At 23:36 3/4/99 -0500, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 08:05:49PM -0800, mwinter@exodus.net wrote:
Amazing.. I'll contact him. But the answer i got from Internic was the don't care answer from below. I could not believe it and mailed them again, asking them to confirm it and they confirmed it. This is not about a single domain anyway.. I just came across this specific one and wanted to know what the policy of Internic is if someone points them to their own agreement and a domain which violates it.
Let me know if they do indeed delete the domain. Let all of us know.
PLEASE do. I've been fighting this particular battle for almost two years now, and *ONCE* got them to delete a bogus phone number. Not the domain, understand, just the phone number (martianconsulate.com...check for yourself). I have gotten a very long list of *why* they won't delete the BS domains, but unless they don't pay, they don't get deleted (and sometimes, not even then!). "Small minds can only contemplate small ideas".....Unknown Dean Robb Owner, PC-EASY (757) 495-EASY [3279] On-site computer repair, upgrades and consultations Read my game reviews/columns in SimOps on WWW.TheGamers.Net
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