sorry for the off topic post - but since a few of us travel about some... http://www.hipmunk.com/ --bill
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM, <bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com> wrote:
sorry for the off topic post - but since a few of us travel about some... http://www.hipmunk.com/
How do they quantify agony? Also it's not clear if the sort is ascending or descending... -Bill -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
William Herrin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM, <bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com> wrote:
sorry for the off topic post - but since a few of us travel about some... http://www.hipmunk.com/
Cool link! I'm actually shopping for a flight tonight, this has already come in quite handy.
How do they quantify agony? Also it's not clear if the sort is ascending or descending...
http://www.hipmunk.com/faq What is Agony, and why would I want to sort by it? Agony is our way of sorting flights to take into account price, duration, and number of stops. There's more to a flight than its price, so we provide this sort to give you better all-around results.
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 22:46 -0700, JC Dill wrote:
William Herrin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM, <bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com> wrote:
sorry for the off topic post - but since a few of us travel about some... http://www.hipmunk.com/
Cool link! I'm actually shopping for a flight tonight, this has already come in quite handy.
How do they quantify agony? Also it's not clear if the sort is ascending or descending...
What is Agony, and why would I want to sort by it? Agony is our way of sorting flights to take into account price, duration, and number of stops. There's more to a flight than its price, so we provide this sort to give you better all-around results.
Very cool indeed. I'd think that to some the travel time would be weighed much more heavily than the price of the ticket. I hate to fly for work (having been injured in a plane crash) and a bit nervous anyway, but if I am flying for work then then a few hundred bucks is trivial compared to what is riding on the deal. It might be neat of you could adjust the weight of the components of "agony". For kicks, I looked at the most agonizing trip options... I chose a trip from San Diego to New York City... the worst were: 1) Tijuana to Mexico City, 16hr hour layover, then to Newark NJ and cost over $1k. 2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA. Holy crappy flights Batman! -- ************************************************************ Michael J. McCafferty Principal M5 Hosting http://www.m5hosting.com You can have your own custom Dedicated Server up and running today ! RedHat Enterprise, CentOS, Ubuntu, Debian, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and more ************************************************************
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Michael J McCafferty <mike@m5computersecurity.com> wrote:
For kicks, I looked at the most agonizing trip options... I chose a trip from San Diego to New York City... the worst were:
1) Tijuana to Mexico City, 16hr hour layover, then to Newark NJ and cost over $1k.
2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA.
Made all the more agonizing when you arrive in NY and customs express interest in your decission to stop over south of the border for a couple of hours. As others have said -- agony's a nice idea, but the real value gets added when you can weight the elements according to your personal preferences (and the site can then capture how people choose to weight various inconveniences in order to (i) improve their own algorithms, and (ii) sell on to other interested parties). C
On 8/27/2010 4:33 AM, Callum Finlayson wrote:
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Michael J McCafferty <mike@m5computersecurity.com> wrote:
For kicks, I looked at the most agonizing trip options... I chose a trip from San Diego to New York City... the worst were:
1) Tijuana to Mexico City, 16hr hour layover, then to Newark NJ and cost over $1k.
2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA. Made all the more agonizing when you arrive in NY and customs express interest in your decission to stop over south of the border for a couple of hours.
As others have said -- agony's a nice idea, but the real value gets added when you can weight the elements according to your personal preferences (and the site can then capture how people choose to weight various inconveniences in order to (i) improve their own algorithms, and (ii) sell on to other interested parties).
C
right and be able to crank the agony up based on a given airport (ATL... I am looking at you here) Andrew
On Aug 27, 2010, at 6:30 AM, Andrew Kirch wrote:
On 8/27/2010 4:33 AM, Callum Finlayson wrote:
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Michael J McCafferty <mike@m5computersecurity.com> wrote:
For kicks, I looked at the most agonizing trip options... I chose a trip from San Diego to New York City... the worst were:
1) Tijuana to Mexico City, 16hr hour layover, then to Newark NJ and cost over $1k.
2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA. Made all the more agonizing when you arrive in NY and customs express interest in your decission to stop over south of the border for a couple of hours.
As others have said -- agony's a nice idea, but the real value gets added when you can weight the elements according to your personal preferences (and the site can then capture how people choose to weight various inconveniences in order to (i) improve their own algorithms, and (ii) sell on to other interested parties).
C
right and be able to crank the agony up based on a given airport (ATL... I am looking at you here)
Agony can frequently be made more specific. For example, one big problem in ATL at this time of year is thunderstorms, and these are likely to happen in the afternoon. (A late summer afternoon in North Georgia is almost certain to have some thunderstorms moving through.) So, a flight in August with a 10:00 AM change in ATL, I don't worry about. A flight with a 4:00 PM change, I assume I am likely to be late if not bumped to the next day. There are many airports with similar time variability (LHR at 9:00 AM!), and all of this data is out there. It would be a powerful selling point if the agony index included such granularity. Regards Marshall
Andrew
On Aug 27, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Callum Finlayson wrote:
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Michael J McCafferty <mike@m5computersecurity.com> wrote:
For kicks, I looked at the most agonizing trip options... I chose a trip from San Diego to New York City... the worst were:
1) Tijuana to Mexico City, 16hr hour layover, then to Newark NJ and cost over $1k.
2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA.
Made all the more agonizing when you arrive in NY and customs express interest in your decission to stop over south of the border for a couple of hours.
Except neither flight would involve customs in NY. In the first case, you would clear customs in Newark. In the second, you would clear customs in Atlanta.
As others have said -- agony's a nice idea, but the real value gets added when you can weight the elements according to your personal preferences (and the site can then capture how people choose to weight various inconveniences in order to (i) improve their own algorithms, and (ii) sell on to other interested parties).
I suspect it might not be that hard for them to add and would be worthy of requesting as a feature. Owen
C
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Callum Finlayson wrote:
1) Tijuana to Mexico City, 16hr hour layover, then to Newark NJ and cost over $1k.
2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA.
Made all the more agonizing when you arrive in NY and customs express interest in your decission to stop over south of the border for a couple of hours.
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:25:43 PDT, Michael J McCafferty said:
2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA.
I once got booked Roanoke-Pittsburgh-Chicago-St Louis-Columbia MO. All layovers *short* enough to induce "run through the airport" panic behavior (and stopping for food was out of the question). Oh, and I *hate* takeoffs and landings.
On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:25:43 PDT, Michael J McCafferty said:
2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA.
I once got booked Roanoke-Pittsburgh-Chicago-St Louis-Columbia MO. All layovers *short* enough to induce "run through the airport" panic behavior (and stopping for food was out of the question).
A _really_ intelligent airline scheduling system would (IMHO) be able to offer you options like "there is a direct flight Pittsburgh -> Kansas City, and from there it is a 2 hour drive to Columbia, so that will save you 5 hours travel time" Regards Marshall
Oh, and I *hate* takeoffs and landings.
My favorite is Detroit to Chicago, via ATL! -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@americafree.tv] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:32 AM To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: sort by agony On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:25:43 PDT, Michael J McCafferty said:
2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA.
I once got booked Roanoke-Pittsburgh-Chicago-St Louis-Columbia MO. All layovers *short* enough to induce "run through the airport" panic behavior (and stopping for food was out of the question).
A _really_ intelligent airline scheduling system would (IMHO) be able to offer you options like "there is a direct flight Pittsburgh -> Kansas City, and from there it is a 2 hour drive to Columbia, so that will save you 5 hours travel time" Regards Marshall
Oh, and I *hate* takeoffs and landings.
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:32:17 EDT, Marshall Eubanks said:
A _really_ intelligent airline scheduling system would (IMHO) be able to offer you options like
"there is a direct flight Pittsburgh -> Kansas City, and from there it is a 2 hour drive to Columbia, so that will save you 5 hours travel time"
Yeah, would have been nice, except the policy says "travel at minimum total cost". The paperwork involved for a rental car was even scarier than a DCA takeoff/landing. ;)
On 08/27/2010 01:46 EDT, JC Dill wrote:
What is Agony, and why would I want to sort by it? Agony is our way of sorting flights to take into account price, duration, and number of stops. There's more to a flight than its price, so we provide this sort to give you better all-around results.
I wonder if I could persuade it to take round trip agony into account. For example on CO I can get from here to PEK easily, but on the way back I would have to spend the night in Newark.
participants (12)
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Andrew Kirch
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bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
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Callum Finlayson
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JC Dill
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Jon Lewis
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Kain, Becki (B.)
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Marshall Eubanks
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Michael J McCafferty
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Owen DeLong
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Scott Brim
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Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
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William Herrin