-- Danny McPherson <danny@tcb.net> wrote: [good stuff elided]

I agree that the root of the problem is the miscreants perpetrating these crimes, and they need to be prosecuted, but the responsibility falls far wider than the SPs.

I also accept the references provided by Paul and others, but what's the near-term alternative?

-danny

I would suggest more specific attention by service providers specifically, and everyone in general, perhaps with more "abuse services" -related tracks at meetings like NANOG. :-) Or something along those lines... I think the problem(s) have ballooned to the point where everyone is feeling a bit overwhelmed in getting the cooperation needed to take down botnet C&C's, phishing hosts, and other nefarious "services" -- some which try to hide using DNS RR "fast-flux", etc. The whole business of getting cooperation in this area needs much improvement. - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/