To : David Barak <thegameiam@yahoo.com> Cc : nanog@merit.edu Attchmnt: Subject : Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" ----- Message Text ----- On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, David Barak wrote:

Windows * prices -> $???

Slackware in 98 -> A few hours downloading.

The problems most people have with microsoft's monopoly status have nothing whatsoever to do with the price of the software which forms the basis of their monopoly (windows + office), but rather their willingness to use the profits from them to subsidize other losing ventures to drive out other competitors.

My qualm with Microsoft's software scheme is just that the pricing breakdown on a business level coupled with the fact that I still can't get over an MS salesgoon telling me that if I purchased exchange I would have to purchase "additional space to use it". Additional space? "But I have a 1/2 tb array?"... "Well" (said the salesgoon) "Doesn't matter how big your drive is you're only allocated X amount of space..." Thankfully I was able to use great stuff like Dot Project and a slew of other OpenSource products to get things running without having to sell my soul for broken windows.

Assertions that "monopolies do X and they're bad, and we know that Y will eventually do bad because they're a monopoly" are circular.

Studies have already shown the evil that m(en)onopolies do: // QUOTED FROM A SAVED ARTICLE I READ The standard economic case against monopoly is that, with the same cost structure, a monopoly supplier will produce at a lower output and charge a higher price than a competitive industry. This leads to a net loss of economic welfare and efficiency because price is driven above marginal cost - leading to allocative inefficiency. // Outside of that, most people as history has also show have the tendency to only stay kicked for so long before something kicks them out of their rut leading into some form of "revolt" (for lack of a better word on 3 hours sleep). I'm more concerned with Oligopolies creeping up slowly than I am with MS nowadays (Yahoo+eBay+Google+INSERT_BANK_HERE). Oligopolies go unnoticed for quite a while until damage is far more heavier than anything I can envision MS doing. Level3 + Cogento + Focal + TimeWarner + Cox = Nightmare That would be a A bigger nightmare than anything MS would be able to spit out of their Redmond stable. What ILEC's and CLEC's have to offer cannot be replaced by screaming geeks hooked on too many Starbuck's Grande Black Eyes, writing code for free under INSERT_YOUR_LICENSE_HERE. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo GPG Key ID 0x97B43D89 http://mo.fscker.com :: Obscurity through Insecurity "I know what I have given you. I do not know what you have received" -- Antonio Porchia