Scenario, We have a meshed network, with two primary hub sites, Router A and Router B. {Internet} | [Inet-rtr] | [core-rtr]-------------------<[router a]--------------------< frame cloud | ||||||||||||| [Router C]--------------<[Router B]--------------------<frame cloud Router A lost it's connection to the frame cloud. All of the sites hanging off of Router B (via PVC's) began to experience the same problem: The routers were able to ping internet addresses, but the workstations on the local LAN's were not. However, the workstations were able to ping Router B's serial interfaces facing the cloud, but could not get through to Router C. All routers in organization are running eigrp, as well as using static routes. All routers are in the same AS. Router B 's local LAN was able to ping any internet address. When Router A's frame port was restored, the problem disappeared. Any ideas? Kevin Badeen Unix Administrator Harte-Hanks Response Management 512.434.5999 Tel 877.446.5548 Pag