Hey guys, I've noticed on one of the mailing lists that I'm running that AOL has just started bouncing email (like literally a few minutes ago) sent to subscribers of the list. Email does get delivered properly when sent directly to the subscribers. If the mail gets delivered thru the list, it's rejected with a 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND which is bogus. Anyone encountered this before? How do I get them to stop this nonsense? Help? Cheers, Chris -- Christian Kuhtz <ck@arch.bellsouth.net> -wk, <ck@gnu.org> -hm Sr. Architect, Engineering & Architecture, BellSouth.net, Atlanta, GA, U.S. "I speak for myself only.""
One could assume that to cut down on spam, they are requiring the RCPT to match either To or Cc in the body. It might be a valid strategy except that it breaks mailing lists and Bccs. They might be willing to pay that price, so you might be out of luck. Either that or they broke something. :) Aaron On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Christian Kuhtz wrote:
Hey guys,
I've noticed on one of the mailing lists that I'm running that AOL has just started bouncing email (like literally a few minutes ago) sent to subscribers of the list. Email does get delivered properly when sent directly to the subscribers. If the mail gets delivered thru the list, it's rejected with a 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND which is bogus.
Anyone encountered this before? How do I get them to stop this nonsense? Help?
Cheers, Chris
AOL is seriously cracking down on mailing lists, mainly because it's difficult to tell a mailing list from a spam run. This has been discussed on SPAM-L; AOL must "whitelist" your mailing list, and there's a long agreement that the admin has to sign before they'll do so. However, I have no clue who to contact at AOL that handles this; let me work some inside contacts and see if I can't find anything out. -Chris On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 01:19:40PM -0600, Aaron Dewell wrote:
One could assume that to cut down on spam, they are requiring the RCPT to match either To or Cc in the body. It might be a valid strategy except that it breaks mailing lists and Bccs. They might be willing to pay that price, so you might be out of luck.
Either that or they broke something. :)
Aaron
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Christian Kuhtz wrote:
Hey guys,
I've noticed on one of the mailing lists that I'm running that AOL has just started bouncing email (like literally a few minutes ago) sent to subscribers of the list. Email does get delivered properly when sent directly to the subscribers. If the mail gets delivered thru the list, it's rejected with a 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND which is bogus.
Anyone encountered this before? How do I get them to stop this nonsense? Help?
Cheers, Chris
-- --------------------------- Christopher A. Woodfield rekoil@semihuman.com PGP Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B
All - must be a .com thang - I manage over 700 lists as lists.uoregon.edu with a fairly high number of aol.com subscriber addresses (mostly students) and I'm not seeing any bounces - maybe they give .edu a free pass? Lucy E. Lynch Academic User Services Computing Center University of Oregon llynch@darkwing.uoregon.edu (541) 346-1774 On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Christopher A. Woodfield wrote:
AOL is seriously cracking down on mailing lists, mainly because it's difficult to tell a mailing list from a spam run. This has been discussed on SPAM-L; AOL must "whitelist" your mailing list, and there's a long agreement that the admin has to sign before they'll do so. However, I have no clue who to contact at AOL that handles this; let me work some inside contacts and see if I can't find anything out.
-Chris
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 01:19:40PM -0600, Aaron Dewell wrote:
One could assume that to cut down on spam, they are requiring the RCPT to match either To or Cc in the body. It might be a valid strategy except that it breaks mailing lists and Bccs. They might be willing to pay that price, so you might be out of luck.
Either that or they broke something. :)
Aaron
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Christian Kuhtz wrote:
Hey guys,
I've noticed on one of the mailing lists that I'm running that AOL has just started bouncing email (like literally a few minutes ago) sent to subscribers of the list. Email does get delivered properly when sent directly to the subscribers. If the mail gets delivered thru the list, it's rejected with a 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND which is bogus.
Anyone encountered this before? How do I get them to stop this nonsense? Help?
Cheers, Chris
-- --------------------------- Christopher A. Woodfield rekoil@semihuman.com
PGP Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B
I doubt that it's a .edu vs. .com thing, since domains don't necessarily mean much. However, it could be an AS, netblock or server thing. AOL may have "whitelisted" you on their own initiative. Alternatively, you may not be triggering their filter. We have a fairly modest mailing list, but our system sorts mail by domain before sending. That means that we open up one connection to AOL and send all of the messages at once.
From what I read on the archives, that's the best way to trip their filters. Maybe you're not doing that.
-steve On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Lucy E. Lynch wrote:
All -
must be a .com thang - I manage over 700 lists as lists.uoregon.edu with a fairly high number of aol.com subscriber addresses (mostly students) and I'm not seeing any bounces - maybe they give .edu a free pass?
Lucy E. Lynch Academic User Services Computing Center University of Oregon llynch@darkwing.uoregon.edu (541) 346-1774
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Christian Kuhtz wrote:
I've noticed on one of the mailing lists that I'm running that AOL has just started bouncing email (like literally a few minutes ago) sent to subscribers of the list. Email does get delivered properly when sent directly to the subscribers. If the mail gets delivered thru the list, it's rejected with a 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND which is bogus.
Anyone encountered this before? How do I get them to stop this nonsense? Help?
http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/2001-03/threads.html#00762 http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/2001-04/threads.html#00598 http://www.the-infinite.org/lists/romlist/2001/02/msg00210.html -- Dominic J. Eidson "Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu!" - Gimli ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.the-infinite.org/ http://www.the-infinite.org/~dominic/
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Christian Kuhtz wrote:
Hey guys,
I've noticed on one of the mailing lists that I'm running that AOL has just started bouncing email (like literally a few minutes ago) sent to subscribers of the list. Email does get delivered properly when sent directly to the subscribers. If the mail gets delivered thru the list, it's rejected with a 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND which is bogus.
[long time lurker, first time poster -- I don't run a real network :-)] I'm getting something a little different (addresses changed to protect the innocent): ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <abcxyz@aol.com> <qwerty@aol.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to air-yh04.mail.aol.com.:
RCPT To:<qwerty@aol.com> <<< 550 MISSING OR INCORRECT DOMAIN IN RCPT COMMAND 550 <qwerty@aol.com>... User unknown RCPT To:<abcxyz@aol.com> <<< 550 MISSING OR INCORRECT DOMAIN IN RCPT COMMAND 550 <abcxyz@aol.com>... User unknown
Both of these addresses are on an internal use list of about 30 addresses that last successfully delivered mail to these guys a couple of hours ago. When I first read it, I laughed out loud because I *do* tend to think of AOL as an incorrect domain. But this, coupled with Christian's report, looks more like they've broken something than done something deliberate. Telneting to port 25 of air-yh04.mail.aol.com times out at the moment... -- Joseph F. Noonan Systems Manager Rigaku/MSC jfn@msc.com http://www.RigakuMSC.com/
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