Hello, To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems, consider the risk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor... "Chesterfield County police said emails notifying Fairfax County Public Schools that an employee was arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor were not delivered to the school system." Long story short, the pedo kept his school job another year and a half. There was once a time when both the outbound emails and the bounce messages when they failed... worked. It was a spammy place but the important emails got through. Regards, Bill Herrin
Without saying why the mail was blocked (dumb content filter looking for porn? a spamhaus listing because the police server was hacked? something else?) that’s not going to help too much. I’ve been spam filtering stuff at large providers since the late 90s and it never gets any easier to block 100% spam or let 100% legit mail through. —srs --srs ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+ops.lists=gmail.com@nanog.org> on behalf of William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 7:03:52 AM To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: email spam Hello, To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems, consider the risk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor... "Chesterfield County police said emails notifying Fairfax County Public Schools that an employee was arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor were not delivered to the school system." Long story short, the pedo kept his school job another year and a half. There was once a time when both the outbound emails and the bounce messages when they failed... worked. It was a spammy place but the important emails got through. Regards, Bill Herrin
Bill, Not only that, did they even follow their own rules, I’ve been fighting with septa.org, the Pennsylvania train authority, and easypassnj.com, the New Jersey transit toll collectors about invalid SPF records for years, and they literally don’t give a shit. If they say to put it in spam, well than that is their own fault. Sincerely, Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300
On Aug 23, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Without saying why the mail was blocked (dumb content filter looking for porn? a spamhaus listing because the police server was hacked? something else?) that’s not going to help too much.
I’ve been spam filtering stuff at large providers since the late 90s and it never gets any easier to block 100% spam or let 100% legit mail through.
—srs
--srs From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+ops.lists=gmail.com@nanog.org> on behalf of William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 7:03:52 AM To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: email spam
Hello,
To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems, consider the risk:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor... <https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor-solicitation-minor/>
"Chesterfield County police said emails notifying Fairfax County Public Schools that an employee was arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor were not delivered to the school system."
Long story short, the pedo kept his school job another year and a half.
There was once a time when both the outbound emails and the bounce messages when they failed... worked. It was a spammy place but the important emails got through.
Regards, Bill Herrin
Sorry about the bad examples, but I remember contacting both about issues with SPF multiple times. They both have seemed have to fixed things at least searching my logs for the last week. Most of my customers have had to whitelist them though for past issues. It’s also ezpassnj.com for the NJ collection. Point still stands, assume incompetence over malice. Sincerely, Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300
On Aug 23, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com> wrote:
Bill,
Not only that, did they even follow their own rules, I’ve been fighting with septa.org <http://septa.org/>, the Pennsylvania train authority, and easypassnj.com <http://easypassnj.com/>, the New Jersey transit toll collectors about invalid SPF records for years, and they literally don’t give a shit. If they say to put it in spam, well than that is their own fault.
Sincerely,
Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300
On Aug 23, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com <mailto:ops.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:
Without saying why the mail was blocked (dumb content filter looking for porn? a spamhaus listing because the police server was hacked? something else?) that’s not going to help too much.
I’ve been spam filtering stuff at large providers since the late 90s and it never gets any easier to block 100% spam or let 100% legit mail through.
—srs
--srs From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+ops.lists=gmail.com@nanog.org <mailto:nanog-bounces+ops.lists=gmail.com@nanog.org>> on behalf of William Herrin <bill@herrin.us <mailto:bill@herrin.us>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 7:03:52 AM To: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: email spam
Hello,
To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems, consider the risk:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor... <https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor-solicitation-minor/>
"Chesterfield County police said emails notifying Fairfax County Public Schools that an employee was arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor were not delivered to the school system."
Long story short, the pedo kept his school job another year and a half.
There was once a time when both the outbound emails and the bounce messages when they failed... worked. It was a spammy place but the important emails got through.
Regards, Bill Herrin
100%. Also - there’s no way to offer a delivery sla for email. If you have something business critical, let alone anything that affects child safety, pick up a phone and call, or send an officer over to the school. --srs ________________________________ From: Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 8:14:16 AM To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: email spam Sorry about the bad examples, but I remember contacting both about issues with SPF multiple times. They both have seemed have to fixed things at least searching my logs for the last week. Most of my customers have had to whitelist them though for past issues. It’s also ezpassnj.com<http://ezpassnj.com> for the NJ collection. Point still stands, assume incompetence over malice. Sincerely, Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300 On Aug 23, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com<mailto:eric-list@truenet.com>> wrote: Bill, Not only that, did they even follow their own rules, I’ve been fighting with septa.org<http://septa.org/>, the Pennsylvania train authority, and easypassnj.com<http://easypassnj.com/>, the New Jersey transit toll collectors about invalid SPF records for years, and they literally don’t give a shit. If they say to put it in spam, well than that is their own fault. Sincerely, Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300 On Aug 23, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com<mailto:ops.lists@gmail.com>> wrote: Without saying why the mail was blocked (dumb content filter looking for porn? a spamhaus listing because the police server was hacked? something else?) that’s not going to help too much. I’ve been spam filtering stuff at large providers since the late 90s and it never gets any easier to block 100% spam or let 100% legit mail through. —srs --srs ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+ops.lists=gmail.com@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces+ops.lists=gmail.com@nanog.org>> on behalf of William Herrin <bill@herrin.us<mailto:bill@herrin.us>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 7:03:52 AM To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: email spam Hello, To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems, consider the risk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor... "Chesterfield County police said emails notifying Fairfax County Public Schools that an employee was arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor were not delivered to the school system." Long story short, the pedo kept his school job another year and a half. There was once a time when both the outbound emails and the bounce messages when they failed... worked. It was a spammy place but the important emails got through. Regards, Bill Herrin
Or at the bare minimum, require a response. Just assuming the email went through and then blaming that for a pedo keeping their job for another year and a half is just bad on the officials side. With scams increasing, measures need to be in place. Unfortunately, several agencies seem to think that you should just trust anything that comes from their address but that's how we end up with email spoofing. The agencies need to ensure they have the right setup in place to avoid ending up in spam and also ensure they are following up in some form, especially when its to do with child safety. - Jeremy From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+jeremy=resolvergroup.com.au@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Suresh Ramasubramanian Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2022 12:52 PM To: Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: email spam [External Sender] Be cautious of any links or attachments within this email as it has come from an External Sender. 100%. Also - there's no way to offer a delivery sla for email. If you have something business critical, let alone anything that affects child safety, pick up a phone and call, or send an officer over to the school. --srs ________________________________ From: Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com<mailto:eric-list@truenet.com>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 8:14:16 AM To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com<mailto:ops.lists@gmail.com>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: email spam Sorry about the bad examples, but I remember contacting both about issues with SPF multiple times. They both have seemed have to fixed things at least searching my logs for the last week. Most of my customers have had to whitelist them though for past issues. It's also ezpassnj.com<http://ezpassnj.com> for the NJ collection. Point still stands, assume incompetence over malice. Sincerely, Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300 On Aug 23, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com<mailto:eric-list@truenet.com>> wrote: Bill, Not only that, did they even follow their own rules, I've been fighting with septa.org<http://septa.org/>, the Pennsylvania train authority, and easypassnj.com<http://easypassnj.com/>, the New Jersey transit toll collectors about invalid SPF records for years, and they literally don't give a shit. If they say to put it in spam, well than that is their own fault. Sincerely, Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300 On Aug 23, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com<mailto:ops.lists@gmail.com>> wrote: Without saying why the mail was blocked (dumb content filter looking for porn? a spamhaus listing because the police server was hacked? something else?) that's not going to help too much. I've been spam filtering stuff at large providers since the late 90s and it never gets any easier to block 100% spam or let 100% legit mail through. -srs --srs ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+ops.lists=gmail.com@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces+ops.lists=gmail.com@nanog.org>> on behalf of William Herrin <bill@herrin.us<mailto:bill@herrin.us>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 7:03:52 AM To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: email spam Hello, To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems, consider the risk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor... "Chesterfield County police said emails notifying Fairfax County Public Schools that an employee was arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor were not delivered to the school system." Long story short, the pedo kept his school job another year and a half. There was once a time when both the outbound emails and the bounce messages when they failed... worked. It was a spammy place but the important emails got through. Regards, Bill Herrin
From the timeline here,
https://wjla.com/news/local/timeline-darren-thornton-sex-crime-case-fairfax-... The outbound mail DID bounce. And the bounce message is what ended up in the sender's spam folder which the sender never checked... until later when they started the investigation. No mail was dropped on the floor by anti-spam. There is still a place for things to be formally delivered on a piece of paper. Sure, send the email for quick notification, but also back it up with a physical letter sent via certified mail. And not that I feel sorry for the guy who was convicted, more than once, of soliciting a minor, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's a pedophile. On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 8:09 PM Jeremy Chequer <jeremy@resolvergroup.com.au> wrote:
Or at the bare minimum, require a response. Just assuming the email went through and then blaming that for a pedo keeping their job for another year and a half is just bad on the officials side. With scams increasing, measures need to be in place. Unfortunately, several agencies seem to think that you should just trust anything that comes from their address but that’s how we end up with email spoofing. The agencies need to ensure they have the right setup in place to avoid ending up in spam and also ensure they are following up in some form, especially when its to do with child safety.
- Jeremy
*From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+jeremy=resolvergroup.com.au@nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Suresh Ramasubramanian *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 August 2022 12:52 PM *To:* Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* Re: email spam
*[External Sender] Be cautious of any links or attachments within this email as it has come from an External Sender.*
100%. Also - there’s no way to offer a delivery sla for email. If you have something business critical, let alone anything that affects child safety, pick up a phone and call, or send an officer over to the school.
--srs ------------------------------
*From:* Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2022 8:14:16 AM *To:* Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: email spam
Sorry about the bad examples, but I remember contacting both about issues with SPF multiple times. They both have seemed have to fixed things at least searching my logs for the last week. Most of my customers have had to whitelist them though for past issues. It’s also ezpassnj.com for the NJ collection. Point still stands, assume incompetence over malice.
Sincerely,
Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
On Aug 23, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com> wrote:
Bill,
Not only that, did they even follow their own rules, I’ve been fighting with septa.org, the Pennsylvania train authority, and easypassnj.com, the New Jersey transit toll collectors about invalid SPF records for years, and they literally don’t give a shit. If they say to put it in spam, well than that is their own fault.
Sincerely,
Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
On Aug 23, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Without saying why the mail was blocked (dumb content filter looking for porn? a spamhaus listing because the police server was hacked? something else?) that’s not going to help too much.
I’ve been spam filtering stuff at large providers since the late 90s and it never gets any easier to block 100% spam or let 100% legit mail through.
—srs
--srs ------------------------------
*From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+ops.lists=gmail.com@nanog.org> on behalf of William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2022 7:03:52 AM *To:* nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* email spam
Hello,
To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems, consider the risk:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor...
"Chesterfield County police said emails notifying Fairfax County Public Schools that an employee was arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor were not delivered to the school system."
Long story short, the pedo kept his school job another year and a half.
There was once a time when both the outbound emails and the bounce messages when they failed... worked. It was a spammy place but the important emails got through.
Regards, Bill Herrin
https://wjla.com/news/local/timeline-darren-thornton-sex-crime-case-fairfax-...
The outbound mail DID bounce. And the bounce message is what ended up in the sender's spam folder which the sender never checked... until later when they started the investigation. No mail was dropped on the floor by anti-spam.
There is still a place for things to be formally delivered on a piece of paper. Sure, send the email for quick notification, but also back it up with a physical letter sent via certified mail.
This x100. 1. Send the email for notification. 2. Pick up the phone. "Hey, we just emailed you an official notification about one of your employees that was arrested. Can you please get back to us within 24h to confirm that you received it?" 3. Send a physical certified letter. Just a LITTLE bit of extra effort would have prevented all of this, and the nerds could poke at the email situation at their own pace. On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:06 AM Crist Clark <cjc+nanog@pumpky.net> wrote:
From the timeline here,
https://wjla.com/news/local/timeline-darren-thornton-sex-crime-case-fairfax-...
The outbound mail DID bounce. And the bounce message is what ended up in the sender's spam folder which the sender never checked... until later when they started the investigation. No mail was dropped on the floor by anti-spam.
There is still a place for things to be formally delivered on a piece of paper. Sure, send the email for quick notification, but also back it up with a physical letter sent via certified mail.
And not that I feel sorry for the guy who was convicted, more than once, of soliciting a minor, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's a pedophile.
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 8:09 PM Jeremy Chequer < jeremy@resolvergroup.com.au> wrote:
Or at the bare minimum, require a response. Just assuming the email went through and then blaming that for a pedo keeping their job for another year and a half is just bad on the officials side. With scams increasing, measures need to be in place. Unfortunately, several agencies seem to think that you should just trust anything that comes from their address but that’s how we end up with email spoofing. The agencies need to ensure they have the right setup in place to avoid ending up in spam and also ensure they are following up in some form, especially when its to do with child safety.
- Jeremy
*From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+jeremy=resolvergroup.com.au@nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Suresh Ramasubramanian *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 August 2022 12:52 PM *To:* Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* Re: email spam
*[External Sender] Be cautious of any links or attachments within this email as it has come from an External Sender.*
100%. Also - there’s no way to offer a delivery sla for email. If you have something business critical, let alone anything that affects child safety, pick up a phone and call, or send an officer over to the school.
--srs ------------------------------
*From:* Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2022 8:14:16 AM *To:* Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: email spam
Sorry about the bad examples, but I remember contacting both about issues with SPF multiple times. They both have seemed have to fixed things at least searching my logs for the last week. Most of my customers have had to whitelist them though for past issues. It’s also ezpassnj.com for the NJ collection. Point still stands, assume incompetence over malice.
Sincerely,
Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
On Aug 23, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Eric Tykwinski <eric-list@truenet.com> wrote:
Bill,
Not only that, did they even follow their own rules, I’ve been fighting with septa.org, the Pennsylvania train authority, and easypassnj.com, the New Jersey transit toll collectors about invalid SPF records for years, and they literally don’t give a shit. If they say to put it in spam, well than that is their own fault.
Sincerely,
Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
On Aug 23, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Without saying why the mail was blocked (dumb content filter looking for porn? a spamhaus listing because the police server was hacked? something else?) that’s not going to help too much.
I’ve been spam filtering stuff at large providers since the late 90s and it never gets any easier to block 100% spam or let 100% legit mail through.
—srs
--srs ------------------------------
*From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+ops.lists=gmail.com@nanog.org> on behalf of William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2022 7:03:52 AM *To:* nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* email spam
Hello,
To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems, consider the risk:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor...
"Chesterfield County police said emails notifying Fairfax County Public Schools that an employee was arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor were not delivered to the school system."
Long story short, the pedo kept his school job another year and a half.
There was once a time when both the outbound emails and the bounce messages when they failed... worked. It was a spammy place but the important emails got through.
Regards, Bill Herrin
On Aug 23, 2022, at 8:52 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
If you have something business critical, let alone anything that affects child safety, pick up a phone and call, or send an officer over to the school.
100%. Belt and suspender approach. If between 2020 and 2022 any child was actually harmed by the guy, their parents are going to have a good lawsuit (which sucks, because it would be much better to have no harmed child, of course, but in my _academic_ opinion (i.e. this is not legal advice) the PD was really, *really* negligent here, especially as it's *known* that email is not a reliable method of communication, and if you aren't requiring an acknowledgement that's on *you*). -- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law CEO Institute for Social Internet Public Policy Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Author: The Email Deliverability Handbook Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Dean Emeritus, Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Prof. Emeritus, Lincoln Law School Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Counsel Emeritus, eMail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
especially as it's *known* that email is not a reliable method of communication
That's the problem - it is *not* known by most ordinary folks that email is not reliable. They all think it *is* reliable. Nick On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 at 17:34, Anne Mitchell <amitchell@isipp.com> wrote:
On Aug 23, 2022, at 8:52 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
If you have something business critical, let alone anything that affects child safety, pick up a phone and call, or send an officer over to the school.
100%. Belt and suspender approach. If between 2020 and 2022 any child was actually harmed by the guy, their parents are going to have a good lawsuit (which sucks, because it would be much better to have no harmed child, of course, but in my _academic_ opinion (i.e. this is not legal advice) the PD was really, *really* negligent here, especially as it's *known* that email is not a reliable method of communication, and if you aren't requiring an acknowledgement that's on *you*).
-- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law CEO Institute for Social Internet Public Policy Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Author: The Email Deliverability Handbook Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Dean Emeritus, Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Prof. Emeritus, Lincoln Law School Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Counsel Emeritus, eMail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
They should demand a full refund. On August 23, 2022 at 18:33 bill@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote:
Hello,
To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems, consider the risk:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor...
"Chesterfield County police said emails notifying Fairfax County Public Schools that an employee was arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor were not delivered to the school system."
Long story short, the pedo kept his school job another year and a half.
There was once a time when both the outbound emails and the bounce messages when they failed... worked. It was a spammy place but the important emails got through.
Regards, Bill Herrin
-- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
Simple solution: create a system that can flawlessly map IP address to GPS coordinates, then just nuke the spammers from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Then the rest of us don't have to filter out emails. On 8/23/22, 11:19 PM, "NANOG on behalf of bzs@theworld.com" <nanog-bounces+jbazyar=verobroadband.com@nanog.org on behalf of bzs@theworld.com> wrote: They should demand a full refund. On August 23, 2022 at 18:33 bill@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote: > Hello, > > To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we > say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems, > consider the risk: > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor... > > "Chesterfield County police said emails notifying Fairfax County > Public Schools that an employee was arrested and charged with > soliciting prostitution from a minor were not delivered to the school > system." > > Long story short, the pedo kept his school job another year and a half. > > There was once a time when both the outbound emails and the bounce > messages when they failed... worked. It was a spammy place but the > important emails got through. > > Regards, > Bill Herrin -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 7:28 AM Jawaid Bazyar <jbazyar@verobroadband.com> wrote:
"flawlessly map IP address to GPS coordinates"
Thanks, I needed a good hearty belly laugh to start off the day today. ;P *hint* It's easier to fix the spam problem than it is to map IP addresses to physical locations in reality-land. This is one case where xkcd got it wrong. https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tasks.png Matt
On 8/23/22 18:33, William Herrin wrote:
Hello,
To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems,
Sigh. They are substantially less zealous about preventing spam from leaving their systems. -- Jay Hennigan - jay@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:50:22PM -0700, Jay Hennigan wrote:
On 8/23/22 18:33, William Herrin wrote:
Hello,
To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems,
Sigh. They are substantially less zealous about preventing spam from leaving their systems.
+1 on the observation. @gmail.com addresses constitute the largest number of spam rejections on our office MX. These have passed SPF and DKIM validation. Would Google not be able to scan outgoing emails for spam activity? Our MX's SpamAssassin spam filter is able to detect most of them by content. Is Google unable to do better than what they currently do for outgoing email? (It is understandable some don't like spam filtering at all. But practically, if all these spam emails were delivered, email would become almost unusable.) Mukund
On Aug 23, 2022, at 7:33 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
Hello,
To folks at places like Google and Godaddy which have gotten, shall we say, overzealous about preventing spam from entering their systems, consider the risk:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/23/fairfax-county-counselor...
"Chesterfield County police said emails notifying Fairfax County Public Schools that an employee was arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor were not delivered to the school system."
..and for those who don't have access to the WashPo, that was in 2020, and he was just arrested again for repeat offending, and "Police arrested Thornton again and were surprised he was still employed by Fairfax County Public Schools." (Because of the email notification they had sent in 2020 which, of course, was never delivered, but the police didn't know that.) This is one of the primary reasons that three of our data response codes that receiving systems get when querying the IADB DNSL (what senders know as "the Good Senders List") are: 127.3.200.120 Legally mandated email – email from this IP address consists entirely of communications that are required by law 127.3.200.130 Court-ordered email – email from this IP address consists entirely of communications that have been ordered by a court of law such as public notice of service or notifications of class action lawsuits to members of the class 127.3.200.255 Services the emergency alert or first-responder sector – email from this IP address consists of time-critical urgent or emergency communications Of course, if the sender isn't certified with is - or the receiving system doesn't query us - that doesn't help, but we *are* trying hard to do our part. --- We provide the IADB Good Senders email sender reputation certification list to inbox providers around the world. Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. CEO Get to the Inbox by ISIPP SuretyMail Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal email marketing law) Author: The Email Deliverability Handbook Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Dean Emeritus, Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Prof. Emeritus, Lincoln Law School Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Counsel Emeritus, eMail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
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