Re: peering requirements (Re: DDOS anecdotes)
Following up on my own post: vixie@mfnx.net (Paul Vixie) writes:
Recommendation: upgrade your peering requirements to include language like: ...
Several folks here talked about technical implementation aspects (RPF, etc) and a few told me privately that peering was a sales/marketing activity at this stage of the game. This either means that upgrading the general level of peering agreement is not possible, or that the people I should be discussing it with don't read NANOG. This echos what I learnt at Stephen's BOF in Phoenix.
Recommendation: upgrade your peering requirements to include language
But please don't forget that in this particular DDoS event there was no IP spoofing. So anti-spoofing precautions, either on administrative or technical level, would be useless in this case. And this case is not so untypical. my .002$ Przemek -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Paul Vixie Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:44 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: peering requirements (Re: DDOS anecdotes) Following up on my own post: vixie@mfnx.net (Paul Vixie) writes: like:
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Several folks here talked about technical implementation aspects (RPF, etc) and a few told me privately that peering was a sales/marketing activity at this stage of the game. This either means that upgrading the general level of peering agreement is not possible, or that the people I should be discussing it with don't read NANOG. This echos what I learnt at Stephen's BOF in Phoenix.
Several folks here talked about technical implementation aspects (RPF, etc) and a few told me privately that peering was a sales/marketing activity at this stage of the game.
This either means that upgrading the general level of peering agreement is not possible, or that the people I should be discussing it with don't read NANOG.
this seems to make assumptions with which i am not entirely comfortable. o because some isps' peering is done by business folk, that we should infer that all isps' peering is done by business folk o upgrading peering agreements with business folk is not possible o business folk responsible for peering do not read nanog in my small experience, fwiw, peering decisions have technical and business issues. and the latter are sometimes harder to tease out than the former. the more successful isp probably relies on both. maybe if we come up with a clear statement of the technical issue at hand, those technical folk who manage to get along with their business folk can make some forward progress. it maybe be a bit premature to throw the baby out with the bath-water. randy
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