Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers
[In the message entitled "Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers" on Jun 8, 14:30, Brielle Bruns writes:]
Legit customers get caught in the cross-fire, and they suffer - but at the same time, those legit customers are the only ones that will be able to force a change on said provider.
They contact us, and act all innocent, and tell people we're being unreasonable, neglecting to tell people at the same time that the 'unreasonable' DNSbl maintainer only wants for them to do a simple task that thousands of other providers and administrators have done before.
I'm somewhat familiar with the concept :-) But yes, this indeed is currently the only effective way to cause change at the ISP level. Ferg is very correct in that Change Is Coming at the goverment level. That is the wrong place for it to happen, but it will also be very effective. I'm hopeful that more networks will take it upon themselves to make it happen before it is forced on them. --
Perhaps a government operated black-hole list, run by same friendly folks that run the no-fly list, with a law that says no US ISP can send packets to or accept packets from any IP on the list. Now that would be some real fun to watch! :) On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Dave Rand <dlr@bungi.com> wrote:
[In the message entitled "Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers" on Jun 8, 14:30, Brielle Bruns writes:]
Legit customers get caught in the cross-fire, and they suffer - but at the same time, those legit customers are the only ones that will be able to force a change on said provider.
They contact us, and act all innocent, and tell people we're being unreasonable, neglecting to tell people at the same time that the 'unreasonable' DNSbl maintainer only wants for them to do a simple task that thousands of other providers and administrators have done before.
I'm somewhat familiar with the concept :-)
But yes, this indeed is currently the only effective way to cause change at the ISP level. Ferg is very correct in that Change Is Coming at the goverment level. That is the wrong place for it to happen, but it will also be very effective.
I'm hopeful that more networks will take it upon themselves to make it happen before it is forced on them.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Dorn Hetzel <dhetzel@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps a government operated black-hole list, run by same friendly folks that run the no-fly list, with a law that says no US ISP can send packets to or accept packets from any IP on the list. Now that would be some real fun to watch! :)
Personally, I think that's a horrible idea -- there's a real slippery slope to subjective blocking of "offensive" sites (not just malicious ones) like what they are trying to do in Australia. But again, since U.S. providers have demonstrated that they do not have the desire, nor the will, to police themselves, it is hardly a surprise that Government intervention is being considered as an alternative. I think residential-broadband ISPs need to follow the lead of [e.g. Qwest, Comcast, etc.], which are making a legitimate attempt to identify, notify, and mitigate abusive/botnetted customers. Also, the U.S. leads the rest of the world in hosting providers which are hosting Eastern European criminal malfeasance -- this is a fact. In other words, as things stand now, U.S. providers kind of deserve whatever the U.S. Government dishes out, since they have show that they do not have a willingness to police their own backyards. It is really sad, actually. - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) wj8DBQFMDuv6q1pz9mNUZTMRAjVqAJ480dH3CSSGYp9LOjlXwFNm+egdiQCfYcKJ I0tMJo4UuD7OrFiF8H6L/cA= =+5X/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
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