<Randolph C. Nicklas said:>

I've heard the same story as Tony, from Ascend/Netstar folks. We run 5 GRF1600s in the vBNS--I have a love/hate relationship with them, but they are "maturing" ;)

Actually the product tree looks a little different. The original Netstar product came in two versions. Both had a 16 slot chassis with an external RMS control unit. The difference was in the later version the RMS was a rack mount unit. This product is now called the GR II. The GRF 400 is a 4 slot unit and all of the control function have been internalized. The GRF 1600 is a 16 slot box with completely internalized control functions. Hope that helps. bjp@eng.umd.edu | Disclaimer: Can you be sure I even uunet!eng.umd.edu!istari | exist: Let alone represent anyone Brad Passwaters (Network Ronin) | or anything. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here we are. Born to be kings. We're the princes of the universe. Here we belong, fighting to survive in a war with the darkest power. Network Manager's Theme Song (QUEEN)