Mike, I have worked with your NOC staff before. I draw my personal conclusions from past experience. If the caliber of your people has improved over the past two years, kudos. It isn't apparent from my vantagepoint. By the way, "because" is NOT spelled "becuase." I point this out _because_ you mispelled it not once but, twice in your rebuttal.

Mike Gibbs Director of Engineering and Operations ServInt Corp

Frightening. --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Mike Gibbs wrote:

On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, John Fraizer wrote:

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Steve Gibbard wrote:

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Doesn't Servint have a NOC?

(sorry, couldn't resist)

-Steve

They have one listed at puck.nether.net but, that doesn't mean it's staffed by clued people.

Hey now, lets not attack a group of people becuase you think they might not know a command on a cisco router, and thus they must not be a good or clueful NOC.

Thats like saying, becuase someone doesn't have enable on thier routers, they don't know how to understand cisco commands.

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How hard is it to type:

"show ip bgp neighbor N.N.N.N advertised-routes"

...and verify that you're not leaking crap like that whenever you make a change? Isn't that one of the questions on the Clue++ exam?

Mike Gibbs Director of Engineering and Operations ServInt Corp