Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
Hello all. A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible. Might anyone have any recommendations for datacenters and or ways I can best determine this? It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline. Hopefully I have worded this coherently. Thanks!! Nicole
A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible.
Go to So. San Francisco (200 Paul; who runs that?) and choose an alternate, significant (ATT/Sprint/MCI), provider. If something happens that is big enough to knock out that site *and* your San Jose site then probably most people in the company are dead, together with millions of people in the SF Bay area. So the unavailability of servers, belonging to a company not willing to put something in New Jersey because it is too far away, becomes pretty insignificant at that point. -mark
Might anyone have any recommendations for datacenters and or ways I can best determine this? It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline.
www.ragingwire.com Their data center is not near any fault lines. In fact, it's not near much of anything... except Sacramento. :) Nice place. Fairly new, and they're pleasant folks to deal with. -Jonathan
You mean that they're not near any *known* fault lines. Remember Northridge? If you're in CA or NV, you *are* near a fault line, no matter where you are. http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/122-39.htm http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/latest.htm Tony On Jul 16, 2004, at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Nichols wrote:
Might anyone have any recommendations for datacenters and or ways I can best determine this? It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline.
www.ragingwire.com
Their data center is not near any fault lines. In fact, it's not near much of anything... except Sacramento. :)
Nice place. Fairly new, and they're pleasant folks to deal with.
-Jonathan
Sacramento -joe On 7/16/04 4:34 PM, "Tony Li" <tony.li@tony.li> wrote:
You mean that they're not near any *known* fault lines. Remember Northridge?
If you're in CA or NV, you *are* near a fault line, no matter where you are.
http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/122-39.htm http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/latest.htm
Tony
On Jul 16, 2004, at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Nichols wrote:
Might anyone have any recommendations for datacenters and or ways I can best determine this? It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline.
www.ragingwire.com
Their data center is not near any fault lines. In fact, it's not near much of anything... except Sacramento. :)
Nice place. Fairly new, and they're pleasant folks to deal with.
-Jonathan
-- Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications 994 San Antonio Road Palo Alto, CA 94303 Phone: 650-213-1302 Cell: 650-207-0372 Fax: 650-969-2124
Nicole wrote:
A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible.
We just had an earthquake here in Nebraska. Maybe you want to look around New Madrid, MO.
Might anyone have any recommendations for datacenters and or ways I can best determine this?
Are tornadoes and lightening an issue?
It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline.
The CoE is pretty strict about what we dump in the river, so I don't think there are any peeing points that would be useful for you.
Hopefully I have worded this coherently.
Ummmmm...... -- Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
Hello all.
A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible.
http://www.havenco.com/ -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote:
Havenco is a shell of what it once was, and about 75-90% of what it says on the website isn't true anymore which is sad. If you're really keen on former british millitary installations turned colo, there's a company that sells colo in bunkers in the UK :)
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote:
Havenco is a shell of what it once was, and about 75-90% of what it says on the website isn't true anymore which is sad.
If you're really keen on former british millitary installations turned colo, there's a company that sells colo in bunkers in the UK :)
If we're thinking of the same company its XTML/Telenor/Nextra/GXN/Pipex (or whatever its called this week :) Theyre the most well known that I'm aware of and they have an underground former bank vault but it'll cost you a fair bit Theres a few others not so well known who have underground colos (not necessarily bunkers). My experience of basements is that they have issues when it rains heavily so I'm not that keen :) Steve
On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 08:11:53PM +0100, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote: If you're really keen on former british millitary installations turned colo, there's a company that sells colo in bunkers in the UK :)
If we're thinking of the same company its XTML/Telenor/Nextra/GXN/Pipex (or whatever its called this week :)
Theyre the most well known that I'm aware of and they have an underground former bank vault but it'll cost you a fair bit
http://www.thebunker.net is the one that comes to my mind when I think of "ex millitary, bomb proof colo facility". -- Alistair Cockeram, Badford UK
PIPEX ServerBank and thebunker.net do seem to be the most widely known 'nuclear-proof' secure datacentres, but there are others out there. The big gotcha seems to be getting the electrics, cooling and being on-net to multiple fibre providers to match the physical security. Thats where most of the others don't score so well IMHO, excepting the host of government/finance/etc facilities that don't sell space to anyone anyway. -- Ian Dickinson Development Engineer PIPEX ian.dickinson@pipex.net http://www.pipex.net This e-mail is subject to: http://www.pipex.net/disclaimer.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Alistair Cockeram Sent: 17 July 2004 22:59 To: Stephen J. Wilcox Cc: Tom (UnitedLayer); David Lesher; nanog list Subject: Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 08:11:53PM +0100, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote: If you're really keen on former british millitary installations turned colo, there's a company that sells colo in bunkers in the UK :)
If we're thinking of the same company its XTML/Telenor/Nextra/GXN/Pipex (or whatever its called this week :)
Theyre the most well known that I'm aware of and they have an underground former bank vault but it'll cost you a fair bit
http://www.thebunker.net is the one that comes to my mind when I think of "ex millitary, bomb proof colo facility". -- Alistair Cockeram, Badford UK
Not exactly a plug as it is in a different area, but SpringNet offers colo underground. And everything is underground including generator and cooling towers. A division of the municipal utility so power is pretty good also. Todd Christell Network Manager SpringNet www.springnet.net 417.831.8688 Key fingerprint = 4F26 A0B4 5AAD 7FCA 48DD 7F40 A57E 9235 5202 D508
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote:
Havenco is a shell of what it once was, and about 75-90% of what it says on the website isn't true anymore which is sad.
If you're really keen on former british millitary installations turned colo, there's a company that sells colo in bunkers in the UK :)
If we're thinking of the same company its XTML/Telenor/Nextra/GXN/Pipex (or whatever its called this week :)
Theyre the most well known that I'm aware of and they have an underground former bank vault but it'll cost you a fair bit
Theres a few others not so well known who have underground colos (not necessarily bunkers).
My experience of basements is that they have issues when it rains heavily so I'm not that keen :)
Steve
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:00:32 EDT, David Lesher <wb8foz@nrk.com> said:
location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible.
Hmm.. "any other malady". Where is Havenco going to be when the polar ice caps finish melting? ;)
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote:
http://chris.nodewarrior.org/reviews/DefCon11/Lackey.html Does anyone actually know of any machines hosted on HMS Roughs[1]? www.havenco.com is not, it appears. Of the 3/4 NSes listed in whois for havenco.com, only two are operational, one is the machine as www.havenco.com, the other is in havenco's own RIPE assignment (as are the two inoperative NSes). 1. http://freespace.virgin.net/line.design/forts/sea_forts.htm (first picture is of HMS Roughs, aka "Sealand", being sunk into position on the Roughs sands). regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to spam@dishone.st Fortune: The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts. -- Paul Erlich
A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that mighteffect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible.
Not possible and risky too. The effect of a quake can be worse further from a faultline. You need to take a look at some maps of earthquake risk based on the soil type and underlying geology. Or do what the banks do and set up the backup site in Sacramento. It's not that far.
It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline.
This has been all worked out for you by other people who sited their data centers in Sacramento eons ago. --Michael Dillon
Lots of stuff from Wall Street Financial houses set up their backups in Kansas City. There's a nice little data center in Portsmouth, NH. I used to work there. http://www.worldpath.net (8 hours away by most airlines.) :-) Curtis -- Curtis Maurand mailto:curtis@maurand.com http://www.maurand.com On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 Michael.Dillon@radianz.com wrote:
A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that mighteffect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible.
Not possible and risky too. The effect of a quake can be worse further from a faultline. You need to take a look at some maps of earthquake risk based on the soil type and underlying geology.
Or do what the banks do and set up the backup site in Sacramento. It's not that far.
It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline.
This has been all worked out for you by other people who sited their data centers in Sacramento eons ago.
--Michael Dillon
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
Lots of stuff from Wall Street Financial houses set up their backups in Kansas City.
Is there a backup site in those KC limestone mines? Only thing is, where's the New Madrid fault....? -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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