RE: Hold on to your news servers
Seems like if you were truly providing a useful service, you wouldn't need to be so furtive about it. C Chris Mauritz Director, Systems Administration Rare Medium, Inc. chrism@raremedium.com -----Original Message----- From: Karl Denninger [mailto:karl@Denninger.Net] Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 3:00 PM To: Dean Anderson; Edward S. Marshall Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Hold on to your news servers On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 at 02:46:05PM -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
I don't know why you'd need to know who he gets news feeds from. Cancel leakage would be obvious enough to determine who is getting feeds from Karl.
I presume you'd complain to a) his internet providers/peers, b) his news feeds that leak cancels, and possibly c) anyone who is known to get a feed from him. And their providers/peers.
I'd probably start with MCS which provides Karls service, and go on to good.net, nap.net, etc, presuming Karls boast about MCS not caring to help stop his leakage is true. Then repeat with the sources of the leakages.
Uh, excuse me, but I don't have any affiliation with MCS nor do they have anything to do with this service. If you want to do nothing other than piss them off or get thrown in their admin's "ignore this kook" list, go ahead. Who I buy my *personal* service from is none of your business. Nor your concern, since that *personal* service obviously can't be the source of this. Besides, I've already told the world that I intend to colocate the servers at various points around the country, and that I have offers from people to do that - who are WELL AWARE of what I'm up to.
I think as long as Karls system is completely separate from usenet, it could be fine. His scheme can possibly work if there is never a server that carries both regular Usenet and Karl's feed. But that is an unreasonable proposition. The problem is that someone will want to cross post karls feed into their feed.
Remember, the Soviet Coup against Gorbachev failed (in part) because they couldn't manage to partition or shut off usenet news feeds, and news of events in Moscow leaked out.
--Dean
-- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.
At 10:13 PM 11/13/1998 -0600, Karl Denninger wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 1998 at 09:42:41PM -0600, Edward S. Marshall wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Dean Anderson wrote:
Anyone who cancels someone elses post who is not a moderator or the original poster should lose their account/job at ISP/etc.
So lets start sending in complaints...
And you'd complain to...who? Karl's an independant entity now.
Correct :-)
What's even more fun is that since the system doesn't EMIT any articles it consumes (it emits only cancels, sourced there) you can't figure out where it gets its feeds from.... good luck getting the system's feeds cut off under those circumstances :-)
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Given that a large number of people have threatened to commit felonious acts (ping floods, etc) against these machines, I believe being "furtive" is quite appropriate. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 at 04:03:49PM -0500, Chris Mauritz wrote:
Seems like if you were truly providing a useful service, you wouldn't need to be so furtive about it.
C
Chris Mauritz Director, Systems Administration Rare Medium, Inc. chrism@raremedium.com
-----Original Message----- From: Karl Denninger [mailto:karl@Denninger.Net] Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 3:00 PM To: Dean Anderson; Edward S. Marshall Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Hold on to your news servers
On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 at 02:46:05PM -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
I don't know why you'd need to know who he gets news feeds from. Cancel leakage would be obvious enough to determine who is getting feeds from Karl.
I presume you'd complain to a) his internet providers/peers, b) his news feeds that leak cancels, and possibly c) anyone who is known to get a feed from him. And their providers/peers.
I'd probably start with MCS which provides Karls service, and go on to good.net, nap.net, etc, presuming Karls boast about MCS not caring to help stop his leakage is true. Then repeat with the sources of the leakages.
Uh, excuse me, but I don't have any affiliation with MCS nor do they have anything to do with this service. If you want to do nothing other than piss them off or get thrown in their admin's "ignore this kook" list, go ahead.
Who I buy my *personal* service from is none of your business. Nor your concern, since that *personal* service obviously can't be the source of this.
Besides, I've already told the world that I intend to colocate the servers at various points around the country, and that I have offers from people to do that - who are WELL AWARE of what I'm up to.
I think as long as Karls system is completely separate from usenet, it could be fine. His scheme can possibly work if there is never a server that carries both regular Usenet and Karl's feed. But that is an unreasonable proposition. The problem is that someone will want to cross post karls feed into their feed.
Remember, the Soviet Coup against Gorbachev failed (in part) because they couldn't manage to partition or shut off usenet news feeds, and news of events in Moscow leaked out.
--Dean
-- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.
At 10:13 PM 11/13/1998 -0600, Karl Denninger wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 1998 at 09:42:41PM -0600, Edward S. Marshall wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Dean Anderson wrote:
Anyone who cancels someone elses post who is not a moderator or the original poster should lose their account/job at ISP/etc.
So lets start sending in complaints...
And you'd complain to...who? Karl's an independant entity now.
Correct :-)
What's even more fun is that since the system doesn't EMIT any articles it consumes (it emits only cancels, sourced there) you can't figure out where it gets its feeds from.... good luck getting the system's feeds cut off under those circumstances :-)
-- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.
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