RE: North America not interested in IP V6
The reference to 70% of people in Europe having a web enabled phone made me laugh too... although I guess it could be true - my last 3 mobile phones have all had WAP capability, but I don't know of anyone that actually uses this feature.
I actually use mine. But it's behind a proxy, as I suspect nearly every other provder's WAP gateway is. Daryl Jurbala
So far I have yet to see a mobile network implementing IPv6, though I haven´t looked closely to the japanese ones. Despite all the hype, most mobile vendors don´t even have shipping wares that would do ipv6 in the first place. The usual implementations are ipv4 with "huge" NAT boxes, quite like many DSL and Cable networks were (and still are) until ISP´s started to come into their senses and move to dynamic public ip addresses. Some ipv6 enabled GSM handsets do exist. The mobile ip address demand is not going to be too great when a megabyte in most countries costs $10 to $20 to move around. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl G. Jurbala" <daryl@introspect.net> To: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: RE: North America not interested in IP V6
The reference to 70% of people in Europe having a web enabled phone made me laugh too... although I guess it could be true - my last 3 mobile phones have all had WAP capability, but I don't know of anyone that actually uses this feature.
I actually use mine. But it's behind a proxy, as I suspect nearly every other provder's WAP gateway is. Daryl Jurbala
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Petri Helenius wrote:
The mobile ip address demand is not going to be too great when a megabyte in most countries costs $10 to $20 to move around.
Over here the monopoly Telcom charges approx $US 0.50 per Megabyte see: http://www.telecom.co.nz/content/0,3900,202032-200509,00.html ($1NZ =~ $US 0.60) which possibly almost makes it cheaper today to sit on ICQ than to get/send SMS messages all day long ( do instant message protocols have low bandwidth/compressed data options?). I'm not sure how easy it is for a phone provider to NAT thousands/millions of people at once onto ICQ, especially when they would prefer to charge the same people 10 cents per SMS message. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall@ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon@darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz
Here it´s about $20 for 100M and then about $2/megabyte. (I wonder who is doing their calculations which seem an order of magnitude off when crossing the magic barrier, but we´ve seen phone companies with strange calculators before) However, it seems to take some time before these tariffs will start to make sense and we stop seeing the things like video calls being offered for one tenth the price per bit than what data goes for, etc. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Lyall" <simon.lyall@ihug.co.nz> To: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:53 PM Subject: Re: North America not interested in IP V6
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Petri Helenius wrote:
The mobile ip address demand is not going to be too great when a megabyte in most countries costs $10 to $20 to move around.
Over here the monopoly Telcom charges approx $US 0.50 per Megabyte see:
http://www.telecom.co.nz/content/0,3900,202032-200509,00.html
($1NZ =~ $US 0.60)
which possibly almost makes it cheaper today to sit on ICQ than to get/send SMS messages all day long ( do instant message protocols have low bandwidth/compressed data options?).
I'm not sure how easy it is for a phone provider to NAT thousands/millions of people at once onto ICQ, especially when they would prefer to charge the same people 10 cents per SMS message.
-- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall@ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon@darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz
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