Maybe you should ping NS01.ARMY.MIL about 2400 times in 3 hour and see if you don't get a visit? Pinging a website 2 times means nothing.. Marc -----Original Message----- From: James Thomason [mailto:james@divide.org] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:51 PM To: Dan Hollis Cc: Mike Batchelor; nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: [SOT Rant] Non-hostile probes / opt-in/out PING www.army.mil (140.183.234.10): 56 data bytes ^C --- www.army.mil ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss Am I a terrorist now too? On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Dan Hollis wrote:

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Mike Batchelor wrote:

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<rant> Digital Island is certainly not alone in their practice of assuming an opt-in stance. I think you know that for an operation like Digital Island or Akamai,

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every network operator permission to probe is for all practical

asking purposes,

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impossible. Insisting on opt-in is insisting on these companies going out of business, or not even starting up at all.

I wonder if Digital Island "probes" .mil sites.

-Dan -- [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-]