residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?
folks, I've been away from nanog for a long time - and away from the ISP world for longer. Looking at a house in a new area, at&t copper splice box out front, bellsouth fiber markers as well (yes, that's usually just passing by. but it's there). Owners since '82 said the telephone company was AT&T - but the New AT&T apparently no longer offers phone or internet service there. This is located in a semi-rural area between Ocala and Gainesville Florida (Micanopy, specifically). I knew the state of residential service was in sorry shape - but from what I'm reading, it seems to be worse than I'd though possible. Anyone have any suggestions for service options? I'm cool with dark fiber, if it comes down to that (and can be price sanely and terminated somewhere useful), but it seems like there -should- still be CLEC/DLECs or just plain resellers in business who still have access to resources that are in the ground. My business operates from home - so obviously quality service is a priority, and I'm willing to pay for it within reason. Business plans are certainly an option as well. I've confirmed with all of the known players via their front channels - att, windstream, centurylink, frontier, cox/comcast/spectre. Via backchannels I've confirmed that cox has fiber in the ground 1.4 miles away - straight shot down a dirt road (same one with the BS fiber markers). I have a lead on a couple of tower shots - but there's a big (for florida) ridge between us, and I might have to build 3-400ft to hit anything (speculatively). Anyone have local area or other knowledge that might be helpful? I'd hate to miss out on this house - it's a lot of things we love - but cell or sat only for internet access just isn't going to fly. thanks guys. ...david
This is a common problem with no good solution. Fiber buildouts are almost always insanely expensive. If you can get one at a more reasonable cost, or more likely if you can sign a contract of a sufficient length to convince the carrier to subsidize it, you may be able to get good service that way. The tower thing could also work if you want to spend the time/money on building and maintaining it. And also provided you can get a permit, etc. But most likely you're just out of luck. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 10:44 PM david raistrick <drais@icantclick.org> wrote:
folks,
I've been away from nanog for a long time - and away from the ISP world for longer.
Looking at a house in a new area, at&t copper splice box out front, bellsouth fiber markers as well (yes, that's usually just passing by. but it's there). Owners since '82 said the telephone company was AT&T - but the New AT&T apparently no longer offers phone or internet service there.
This is located in a semi-rural area between Ocala and Gainesville Florida (Micanopy, specifically).
I knew the state of residential service was in sorry shape - but from what I'm reading, it seems to be worse than I'd though possible.
Anyone have any suggestions for service options? I'm cool with dark fiber, if it comes down to that (and can be price sanely and terminated somewhere useful), but it seems like there -should- still be CLEC/DLECs or just plain resellers in business who still have access to resources that are in the ground.
My business operates from home - so obviously quality service is a priority, and I'm willing to pay for it within reason. Business plans are certainly an option as well.
I've confirmed with all of the known players via their front channels - att, windstream, centurylink, frontier, cox/comcast/spectre.
Via backchannels I've confirmed that cox has fiber in the ground 1.4 miles away - straight shot down a dirt road (same one with the BS fiber markers). I have a lead on a couple of tower shots - but there's a big (for florida) ridge between us, and I might have to build 3-400ft to hit anything (speculatively).
Anyone have local area or other knowledge that might be helpful?
I'd hate to miss out on this house - it's a lot of things we love - but cell or sat only for internet access just isn't going to fly.
thanks guys.
...david
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 11:34 PM david raistrick <drais@icantclick.org> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:29 PM Ross Tajvar <ross@tajvar.io> wrote:
But most likely you're just out of luck.
it's really amazing that this is still the case, with our effectively internet based economy now.
Agreed....this is why monopolies are bad and municipal fiber is good.
Agreed....this is why monopolies are bad and municipal fiber is good.
It's not like municipal fiber has some magic spell to make last mile affordable though. On OP's instance he would run into the same issue and would be paying that five figure amount to bring FTTP. Municipal fiber is only good if you happen to live where a municipality has already buried conduit. I'm not saying we should support monopolistic practices, but "municipal fiber everywhere!" isn't necessarily the answer either.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 12:30 AM Mike Bolitho <mikebolitho@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed....this is why monopolies are bad and municipal fiber is good.
It's not like municipal fiber has some magic spell to make last mile affordable though. On OP's instance he would run into the same issue and would be paying that five figure amount to bring FTTP. Municipal fiber is only good if you happen to live where a municipality has already buried conduit.
I'm not saying we should support monopolistic practices, but "municipal fiber everywhere!" isn't necessarily the answer either.
That's fair. What I really meant, and didn't take the time to think through and express properly, was this: financing a large fiber buildout like it's a long-term investment, rather than something that should make back its capital cost in 1-3 years, gets fiber to more people. Most commercial ISPs do not want to do this because they want immediate profit. Municipalities are used to making long-term infrastructure investments (like bridges, etc.) and are more amenable to doing it with fiber. Even if there were a municipality which had done a fiber buildout near OP's desired house, he may have still run into the same issue of no fiber being close enough to be financially viable. But the more fiber plant there is, the less likely that scenario becomes.
Is there any chance LEO operators like OneWeb etc will make a difference on this front, and, if so, when? joly On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:57 PM Ross Tajvar <ross@tajvar.io> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 11:34 PM david raistrick <drais@icantclick.org> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:29 PM Ross Tajvar <ross@tajvar.io> wrote:
But most likely you're just out of luck.
it's really amazing that this is still the case, with our effectively internet based economy now.
Agreed....this is why monopolies are bad and municipal fiber is good.
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- -
Have been through something similar recently with CenturyLink extending fiber service to a residence where only 3Mbps DSL was available previously. Total costs ended up being in the mid five figures range (though I don’t know how far they needed to extend fiber). We amortized over a multi-year term on top of an already four figure MRC. 50Mbps service in the end. Probably not worth it for most. Ray From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Ross Tajvar Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:29 PM To: david raistrick <drais@icantclick.org> Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help? This is a common problem with no good solution. Fiber buildouts are almost always insanely expensive. If you can get one at a more reasonable cost, or more likely if you can sign a contract of a sufficient length to convince the carrier to subsidize it, you may be able to get good service that way. The tower thing could also work if you want to spend the time/money on building and maintaining it. And also provided you can get a permit, etc. But most likely you're just out of luck. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 10:44 PM david raistrick <drais@icantclick.org<mailto:drais@icantclick.org>> wrote: folks, I've been away from nanog for a long time - and away from the ISP world for longer. Looking at a house in a new area, at&t copper splice box out front, bellsouth fiber markers as well (yes, that's usually just passing by. but it's there). Owners since '82 said the telephone company was AT&T - but the New AT&T apparently no longer offers phone or internet service there. This is located in a semi-rural area between Ocala and Gainesville Florida (Micanopy, specifically). I knew the state of residential service was in sorry shape - but from what I'm reading, it seems to be worse than I'd though possible. Anyone have any suggestions for service options? I'm cool with dark fiber, if it comes down to that (and can be price sanely and terminated somewhere useful), but it seems like there -should- still be CLEC/DLECs or just plain resellers in business who still have access to resources that are in the ground. My business operates from home - so obviously quality service is a priority, and I'm willing to pay for it within reason. Business plans are certainly an option as well. I've confirmed with all of the known players via their front channels - att, windstream, centurylink, frontier, cox/comcast/spectre. Via backchannels I've confirmed that cox has fiber in the ground 1.4 miles away - straight shot down a dirt road (same one with the BS fiber markers). I have a lead on a couple of tower shots - but there's a big (for florida) ridge between us, and I might have to build 3-400ft to hit anything (speculatively). Anyone have local area or other knowledge that might be helpful? I'd hate to miss out on this house - it's a lot of things we love - but cell or sat only for internet access just isn't going to fly. thanks guys. ...david
On 3/26/19 10:41 PM, david raistrick wrote:
Looking at a house in a new area, at&t copper splice box out front, bellsouth fiber markers as well (yes, that's usually just passing by. but it's there). Owners since '82 said the telephone company was AT&T - but the New AT&T apparently no longer offers phone or internet service there.
This is located in a semi-rural area between Ocala and Gainesville Florida (Micanopy, specifically).
I'd hate to miss out on this house - it's a lot of things we love - but cell or sat only for internet access just isn't going to fly.
Order the service and have it installed before you close. Test it and ensure it's good. If the buyer won't allow it, walk. You _cannot_ trust some carrier to tell you what you have available before it's actually turned up. Time and time again I see people close on a home where Frontier or Cox or whoever says they have fiber there, and then after the move in, 4-8 week later you find out they don't have anything. Across the road, yes, but all you can get is POTS and IDSL/ISDN. Yep, is 2019 ISDN/IDSL is the only broadband service some people can get. It's also going to be 100+ USD per month. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
https://broadbandnow.com/Florida/Micanopy?zip=32667# You might want to try neighboring ZIP codes to see what other fixed wireless providers might be convinced to expand. http://svic.net/wireless-broadband-north-florida/ ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "david raistrick" <drais@icantclick.org> To: "NANOG List" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:41:30 PM Subject: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help? folks, I've been away from nanog for a long time - and away from the ISP world for longer. Looking at a house in a new area, at&t copper splice box out front, bellsouth fiber markers as well (yes, that's usually just passing by. but it's there). Owners since '82 said the telephone company was AT&T - but the New AT&T apparently no longer offers phone or internet service there. This is located in a semi-rural area between Ocala and Gainesville Florida (Micanopy, specifically). I knew the state of residential service was in sorry shape - but from what I'm reading, it seems to be worse than I'd though possible. Anyone have any suggestions for service options? I'm cool with dark fiber, if it comes down to that (and can be price sanely and terminated somewhere useful), but it seems like there -should- still be CLEC/DLECs or just plain resellers in business who still have access to resources that are in the ground. My business operates from home - so obviously quality service is a priority, and I'm willing to pay for it within reason. Business plans are certainly an option as well. I've confirmed with all of the known players via their front channels - att, windstream, centurylink, frontier, cox/comcast/spectre. Via backchannels I've confirmed that cox has fiber in the ground 1.4 miles away - straight shot down a dirt road (same one with the BS fiber markers). I have a lead on a couple of tower shots - but there's a big (for florida) ridge between us, and I might have to build 3-400ft to hit anything (speculatively). Anyone have local area or other knowledge that might be helpful? I'd hate to miss out on this house - it's a lot of things we love - but cell or sat only for internet access just isn't going to fly. thanks guys. ...david
On 3/27/19 7:50 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
https://broadbandnow.com/Florida/Micanopy?zip=32667#
You might want to try neighboring ZIP codes to see what other fixed wireless providers might be convinced to expand.
You really want to weigh what wireless can offer as many of the local players doing wireless lack the depth of network knowledge and are completely ignorant of what it takes to run an RF network. I'd independently verify your circuits up-time if you decide to go with a wireless ISP. The other sad part is the PtMP wireless technology is likely slower than an LTE modem with external antenna. The WISP's had a great time circa 2005 or so, but now that the licensed players have surpassed what they can offer it's hard to justify the lower availability of the typical WISP vs. cost. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
You are way out of line, and grouping a whole industry into your experience with (probably) one hack On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 12:28 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 3/27/19 7:50 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
https://broadbandnow.com/Florida/Micanopy?zip=32667#
You might want to try neighboring ZIP codes to see what other fixed wireless providers might be convinced to expand.
You really want to weigh what wireless can offer as many of the local players doing wireless lack the depth of network knowledge and are completely ignorant of what it takes to run an RF network. I'd independently verify your circuits up-time if you decide to go with a wireless ISP.
The other sad part is the PtMP wireless technology is likely slower than an LTE modem with external antenna.
The WISP's had a great time circa 2005 or so, but now that the licensed players have surpassed what they can offer it's hard to justify the lower availability of the typical WISP vs. cost.
-- Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
On 3/27/19 3:30 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
You are way out of line, and grouping a whole industry into your experience with (probably) one hack
I don't think I'm out of line, I'm relating what I've seen time and time again. Most WISP's are poorly capitalized and have to run extremely lean. Most WISP's cannot afford to employ experienced engineering staff. This causes problems in any company, let alone one where a lightning strike can take out an entire tower of equipment. Couple this with a lack of RF savvy engineering and failures are inevitable. Looking at the website of http://pcguys.us/services.html, one can see the highest service offered is "5.0Mbps" and pricing is 89.99/month for this service. I've got 45 Mbit/s on my Tmobile LTE card, and fully unlimited is in the same ballpark. Looking at the typical equipment used (64 QAM, 20 MHz channel), you're going to have a raw bitrate of around 80 mbit/s. Couple this with overhead and some inevitable interference and an access point will have about 50 mbit's of large frame capacity. This is not much, and every client added will slightly reduce this due to multicast and supervisory signaling losses. Each system is going to be Time Division Duplex (using the same channel for transmit and receive), so you will split this say 75/25 down/up stream. This means you have at best 37.5 Mbit/s available for all clients to share, which isn't much for a 90 or 120 degree sector out to 10 miles (or more) depending on density. 802.16 WIMAX had several things to address these issues, but it's dead and slow. In the US (as this is NANOG), few operators had the 3.65 GHz licenses for true wimax, and CBRS is eclipsing these licensed operators shortly. Wireless has it's place, but Point-to-Multi-Point broadband on 5 GHz is not it. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
and CBRS is eclipsing these licensed operators shortly.
Yeah what about that? https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/google-courts-wisps-tailored-cbrs-so... -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- -
Wisp here. Our subscribers can get 100mbps bi directional. But we also know what we are doing. Technology is getting better, so speeds are getting better.
On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 3/27/19 3:30 PM, TJ Trout wrote: You are way out of line, and grouping a whole industry into your experience with (probably) one hack
I don't think I'm out of line, I'm relating what I've seen time and time again. Most WISP's are poorly capitalized and have to run extremely lean. Most WISP's cannot afford to employ experienced engineering staff. This causes problems in any company, let alone one where a lightning strike can take out an entire tower of equipment. Couple this with a lack of RF savvy engineering and failures are inevitable.
Looking at the website of http://pcguys.us/services.html, one can see the highest service offered is "5.0Mbps" and pricing is 89.99/month for this service. I've got 45 Mbit/s on my Tmobile LTE card, and fully unlimited is in the same ballpark.
Looking at the typical equipment used (64 QAM, 20 MHz channel), you're going to have a raw bitrate of around 80 mbit/s. Couple this with overhead and some inevitable interference and an access point will have about 50 mbit's of large frame capacity. This is not much, and every client added will slightly reduce this due to multicast and supervisory signaling losses. Each system is going to be Time Division Duplex (using the same channel for transmit and receive), so you will split this say 75/25 down/up stream. This means you have at best 37.5 Mbit/s available for all clients to share, which isn't much for a 90 or 120 degree sector out to 10 miles (or more) depending on density.
802.16 WIMAX had several things to address these issues, but it's dead and slow. In the US (as this is NANOG), few operators had the 3.65 GHz licenses for true wimax, and CBRS is eclipsing these licensed operators shortly.
Wireless has it's place, but Point-to-Multi-Point broadband on 5 GHz is not it.
-- Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:18:02 -0400, Bradley Burch said:
Wisp here.
Our subscribers can get 100mbps bi directional.
But we also know what we are doing.
And being honest here - what percent of WISP operators out there are in your category, as opposed to the under-capitalized and RF experienced challenged group that Bryan was commenting in regards to? I'll bet a large pizza with everything but anchovies that it's in the same ballpark percentage as small copper/fiber base ISPs that have people who read NANOG. In other words, really low.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 2:05 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
Looking at the typical equipment used (64 QAM, 20 MHz channel), you're going to have a raw bitrate of around 80 mbit/s. Couple this with overhead and some inevitable interference and an access point will have about 50 mbit's of large frame capacity. This is not much, and every client added will slightly reduce this due to multicast and supervisory signaling losses. Each system is going to be Time Division Duplex (using the same channel for transmit and receive), so you will split this say 75/25 down/up stream. This means you have at best 37.5 Mbit/s available for all clients to share, which isn't much for a 90 or 120 degree sector out to 10 miles (or more) depending on density.
Ahh, and there's your misunderstanding. Most good WISPS deploy equipment which is capable of much more, with much smaller cell sizes anymore. 256QAM is the rule, 3 Miles is a large cell size, and with MU-MIMO enabled AP's you can get aggregate of around 500MB/s on a single 20Mhz wide channel. If you can find 40Mhz, it's over 1GB/s. Of course, this depends on the exact equipment deployed. Even with lower-end equipment most operators end up with 200Mb/s in 40Mhz - and will often limit the number of customers on that 200Mb/s AP to a dozen or so. You need to be aware that the industry has grown up a LOT in the last 4-5 years, but like in any industry there are bad and good operators. Some do fit into the category you're describing, but from what I can see a large portion of them do know how to deliver a lot of bandwidth. In addition, many WISP's are now also trenching fiber to the home where it makes sense, and deploying fixed wireless where it doesn't. Often the fiber trenching is being driven by those sites where the aggregate customer bandwidth needs do outstrip the capability of the wireless network. -- - Forrest
Variability will always happen with small businesses, but you're more likely to encounter someone that won't do nasty things to your bits through a local WISP as opposed to a national player. It's also more likely to be consistent versus the variability of a mobile service. WISPs have been going strong for years. Typically when a fixed wireless customer moves to mobile wireless, they move back within a couple months. Also, *most* people don't need more than 10 megs at home, so fixed providers that haven't upgraded to support faster speeds aren't really at a disadvantage when you look at how the connection is actually used. That becomes apparent once you switch. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Fields" <Bryan@bryanfields.net> To: "NANOG List" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 2:28:05 PM Subject: Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help? On 3/27/19 7:50 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
https://broadbandnow.com/Florida/Micanopy?zip=32667#
You might want to try neighboring ZIP codes to see what other fixed wireless providers might be convinced to expand.
You really want to weigh what wireless can offer as many of the local players doing wireless lack the depth of network knowledge and are completely ignorant of what it takes to run an RF network. I'd independently verify your circuits up-time if you decide to go with a wireless ISP. The other sad part is the PtMP wireless technology is likely slower than an LTE modem with external antenna. The WISP's had a great time circa 2005 or so, but now that the licensed players have surpassed what they can offer it's hard to justify the lower availability of the typical WISP vs. cost. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
If you're looking to start an ISP, talk to Windstream and Uniti for transport. I can put you in touch with people, should you be interested in going down that route. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "david raistrick" <drais@icantclick.org> To: "NANOG List" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:41:30 PM Subject: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help? folks, I've been away from nanog for a long time - and away from the ISP world for longer. Looking at a house in a new area, at&t copper splice box out front, bellsouth fiber markers as well (yes, that's usually just passing by. but it's there). Owners since '82 said the telephone company was AT&T - but the New AT&T apparently no longer offers phone or internet service there. This is located in a semi-rural area between Ocala and Gainesville Florida (Micanopy, specifically). I knew the state of residential service was in sorry shape - but from what I'm reading, it seems to be worse than I'd though possible. Anyone have any suggestions for service options? I'm cool with dark fiber, if it comes down to that (and can be price sanely and terminated somewhere useful), but it seems like there -should- still be CLEC/DLECs or just plain resellers in business who still have access to resources that are in the ground. My business operates from home - so obviously quality service is a priority, and I'm willing to pay for it within reason. Business plans are certainly an option as well. I've confirmed with all of the known players via their front channels - att, windstream, centurylink, frontier, cox/comcast/spectre. Via backchannels I've confirmed that cox has fiber in the ground 1.4 miles away - straight shot down a dirt road (same one with the BS fiber markers). I have a lead on a couple of tower shots - but there's a big (for florida) ridge between us, and I might have to build 3-400ft to hit anything (speculatively). Anyone have local area or other knowledge that might be helpful? I'd hate to miss out on this house - it's a lot of things we love - but cell or sat only for internet access just isn't going to fly. thanks guys. ...david
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:43 PM david raistrick <drais@icantclick.org> wrote:
folks,
I've been away from nanog for a long time - and away from the ISP world for longer.
Looking at a house in a new area, at&t copper splice box out front, bellsouth fiber markers as well (yes, that's usually just passing by. but it's there). Owners since '82 said the telephone company was AT&T - but the New AT&T apparently no longer offers phone or internet service there.
It seems like _someone_ has to be the CLEC and "Carrier of Last Resort" for the area. Not that that means you are going to get the service you want. Check with the Florida Public Services Commission for what you should be able to expect: http://www.psc.state.fl.us/ -- Jeff Shultz -- Like us on Social Media for News, Promotions, and other information!! <https://www.facebook.com/SCTCWEB/> <https://www.instagram.com/sctc_503/> <https://www.yelp.com/biz/sctc-stayton-3> <https://www.youtube.com/c/sctcvideos> _**** This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. ****_
I believe there is no Federal requirement that there be a Provider of Last Resort (POLR). State law might require it, but in at least some states there is possible to have areas without a POLR. At the national level the regulatory theory is that when there is sufficient competition in a market, the POLR requirement is relieved. In any case, POLR refers only to phone service, not Internet. On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 1:56 PM Jeff Shultz <jeffshultz@sctcweb.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:43 PM david raistrick <drais@icantclick.org> wrote:
folks,
I've been away from nanog for a long time - and away from the ISP world
for longer.
Looking at a house in a new area, at&t copper splice box out front,
bellsouth fiber markers as well (yes, that's usually just passing by. but it's there). Owners since '82 said the telephone company was AT&T - but the New AT&T apparently no longer offers phone or internet service there.
It seems like _someone_ has to be the CLEC and "Carrier of Last Resort" for the area. Not that that means you are going to get the service you want.
Check with the Florida Public Services Commission for what you should be able to expect: http://www.psc.state.fl.us/
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On 4/10/19 1:55 PM, Jeff Shultz wrote:
It seems like_someone_ has to be the CLEC and "Carrier of Last Resort" for the area. Not that that means you are going to get the service you want.
Where I live, you can get AT&T POTS from the ILEC of record. Sometimes it even works...when their cross box/remote terminal isn't full of water, has power/batteries haven't died, etc.! They really push people toward their "wireless home phone" solution which is basically an LTE radio and ATA in a box. It's somewhat significantly cheaper than their wireline POTS service. No DSL, no HFC/cable, no consumer fiber. T1 is available at full tariff rate from the 90s plus about 20 miles of line extension charges. ISDN is no longer offered (or so they say). Only wISP worth mentioning (i.e. can deliver more than 1Mbps on a good day) is myself (fiber coming this summer hopefully). Basically the entire township is a dead zone as far as wireline goes. I pay dearly for my dedicated fiber backhaul to make service worth using available. I'm about 10 minutes from the county seat which has population over 10k and about 45 minutes from downtown metro of >800k. Most gov. agencies have the entire county flagged as "not rural" and ineligible for subsidies. These areas definitely exist. -- Brandon Martin
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