It is exactly this type of confrontational, paranoia-inducing approach to the problem that has caused most of the problems with working towards real netwide consensus. It's not suprising you can't see it, but it's blindingly clear to me... I put work into some back channel discussions that you bozos managed to kill dead. You are not productive of solutions, you are counterproductive, actively damaging to progress. The "protest" created an environment where compromise became harder and in fact did not happen. We all lost. The only winners were a few people's egos, and one of those people is now going to go to jail for it. Trading ego boosts for real progress on the issues is not my idea of problem solving, and until you stop making that mistake you are a roadblock.

-george william herbert

Except for the fact that we requested IETF host a peace meeting for CORE, Internic, Alternic, the US Government and all other interested parties George's analysis would be correct. Except for the fact that we've been trying to weld some sort of consensus via many articles, private e-mail among all of these parties Mr. Herbert would be absolutely bang on. But he's off target. Instead of criticizing Postel, Crocker, Vixie, Metzger and all these incompetants driving this mess Mr. Hebert is attacking those few people actually willing to put their necks on the line to force change. I still believe peace is possible and that IETF is the perfect place for discussions to begin. If this does not happen, if the mono-maniacs behind CORE are not replaced, if the monopolies are not broken there will be an escalation of protest actions and interventions. It will be the only alternative left to those who want justice, value liberty and cherish freedom. It's that important. TeleVirtually Yours, Bob Allisat Director, World TeleVirtual Network http://www.wtv.net PO Box 191 St E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2 tor@wtv.net (416) 534-1999 http://www.wtv.net/portfolio.html