Is the forhcoming meeting going to be multicast ? Thanks, --Tony.
In message <Pine.SUN.3.91.950518085612.19007C-100000@home.merit.edu>, "Susan R. Harris" writes:
Yep, it'll be M-boned. --Susan Harris
Did you even get wb and wbimport running so people could give you postscript files and use wb rather than a blurry and faded image of the overhead projector? Projecting the same thing from a VGA driven projection TV would be better for people in the room than the plastic things and the overhead too. Curtis
In message <Pine.SUN.3.91.950518085612.19007C-100000@home.merit.edu>, "Susan R. Harris" writes:
Yep, it'll be M-boned. --Susan Harris
Did you even get wb and wbimport running so people could give you postscript files and use wb rather than a blurry and faded image of the overhead projector? Projecting the same thing from a VGA driven projection TV would be better for people in the room than the plastic things and the overhead too.
Curtis
When can we start having virtual meetings *just* like that? And avoid travel.
What would probably help out if this were to happen is to have the funds to effectively host the meeting in a TV studio. Proper lighting, multiple cameras allowing viewers to see slides, speaker, and audience would help make the MBone more usable IMHO. The other (more difficult) problem would be the signal to noise ratio across the net.
On Thu, 18 May 1995, Hans-Werner Braun wrote:
When can we start having virtual meetings *just* like that? And avoid travel.
With the price of airfare I second that !
J. Stroup
what would make the mbone useful would be 20 times the bandwidth to europe, asia, the pacific, ... it is effectively useless two hops off the big us ds3s.
Why? I want to be able to give the presentation from my office (or home across ISDN for that matter), sitting down in front of my workstations, and reading presentation slides from files. The noise problem should be resolved with proper floor control and someone managing it. Of course I'd need to remember to shave if I do it from home.
What would probably help out if this were to happen is to have the funds to effectively host the meeting in a TV studio. Proper lighting, multiple cameras allowing viewers to see slides, speaker, and audience would help make the MBone more usable IMHO. The other (more difficult) problem would be the signal to noise ratio across the net.
On Thu, 18 May 1995, Hans-Werner Braun wrote:
When can we start having virtual meetings *just* like that? And avoid travel.
With the price of airfare I second that !
J. Stroup
Why? I want to be able to give the presentation from my office (or home across ISDN for that matter), sitting down in front of my workstations, and reading presentation slides from files. The noise problem should be resolved with proper floor control and someone managing it.
You could do that. I was refering to the meetings I've seen on the MBone where a dark human like figure appears in silhouette in front of an unreadable overhead projector beam. I'd like to see improvements in the source. Similarly, by noise I wasn't actually refering to "Managing the distributed MBone meeting" sorts of problems but rather the current state of the technology. Splotches of missing audio and slow scan (and often missing frames) ofvideo make it very difficult for me to consider this current incarnation of technology for transparently distributed meetings. I find myself just too distracted by these visible shortfalls in the technology. Bill
On Sat, 20 May 1995, William B. Norton wrote:
Similarly, by noise I wasn't actually refering to "Managing the distributed MBone meeting" sorts of problems but rather the current state of the technology. Splotches of missing audio and slow scan (and often missing frames) ofvideo make it very difficult for me to consider this current incarnation of technology for transparently distributed meetings. I find myself just too distracted by these visible shortfalls in the technology.
This isn't a shortfall in the technology, it's a shortfall in YOUR net connection bandwidth or your service provider's bandwidth. Once the infrastructure gets updated with enough bandwidth, this kind of problem should miraculously disappear Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-549-1036 Network Operations Fax: +1-604-542-4130 Okanagan Internet Junction Internet: michael@junction.net http://www.junction.net - The Okanagan's 1st full-service Internet provider
On Sat, 20 May 1995, William B. Norton wrote:
Similarly, by noise I wasn't actually refering to "Managing the distributed MBone meeting" sorts of problems but rather the current state of the technology. Splotches of missing audio and slow scan (and often missing frames) ofvideo make it very difficult for me to consider this current incarnation of technology for transparently distributed meetings. I find myself just too distracted by these visible shortfalls in the technology.
This isn't a shortfall in the technology, it's a shortfall in YOUR net connection bandwidth or your service provider's bandwidth. Once the infrastructure gets updated with enough bandwidth, this kind of problem should miraculously disappear
Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-549-1036
Hum, Thats a DS3 (Sprint) from HWB to an FDDI (NAP) to a DS3 (MCI) to WBN. Sure sounds like a bandwidth problem... There are others that will claim that the actual problem is one of resource reservation and that the existing bandwidth ought to be able to handle the level of use. --bill
On Sat, 20 May 1995, William B. Norton wrote: | | > Why? I want to be able to give the presentation from my office (or home | > across ISDN for that matter), sitting down in front of my workstations, | > and reading presentation slides from files. The noise problem should be | > resolved with proper floor control and someone managing it. | | You could do that. I was refering to the meetings I've seen on the MBone | where a dark human like figure appears in silhouette in front of an | unreadable overhead projector beam. I'd like to see improvements in the | source. [stuff deleted] | | Bill | Greetings, I videotaped both days of the NANOG (Regional Techs) meeting a couple years ago and got many compliments on keeping the camera on the talent, zooming in on the overheads such that they were readable, and even picked off the main audio feed in the auditorium. My motto is: If ya can't get all the available information onto the video tape, then the event wasn't worth taping. I'm willing to do this again but as I won't be getting overtime from my employer to be there, I'd have to ask my usual consulting fee of $150 per day. (I know, I work cheap). For that I'll provide the folks running the MBone gear with a clean baseband audio and video feed. --- Jay Nugent P.S. Kinda short notice for Monday's meeting, but, to really do it up good the meeting should be shot with two cameras, one for talent and the other for wide shots and when questions are coming from the peanut gallery. A shotgun mic for peanut gallery questions would be nice as well :-)
In message <199505190340.UAA09106@upeksa.sdsc.edu>, Hans-Werner Braun writes:
In message <Pine.SUN.3.91.950518085612.19007C-100000@home.merit.edu>, "Susan
R.
Harris" writes:
Yep, it'll be M-boned. --Susan Harris
Did you even get wb and wbimport running so people could give you postscript files and use wb rather than a blurry and faded image of the overhead projector? Projecting the same thing from a VGA driven projection TV would be better for people in the room than the plastic things and the overhead too.
Curtis
When can we start having virtual meetings *just* like that? And avoid travel.
Hans-Werner, A real interesting idea would be to offer to hold the meeting at a particular site *only* for those peoiple that did not have at least mbone connectivity suitable for wb and audio, and have none of the speakers attend, have them all present remotely. :-) :-) :-) It would certainly be a first for NANOG, though some IETF WGs have already done this. While fine for presentations, Q&A or open discussion becomes tough to moderate. Curtis
participants (10)
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ATM_Feel_the_Power -
bmanning＠ISI.EDU -
Curtis Villamizar -
hwb＠upeksa.sdsc.edu -
John J. Nugent -
Michael Dillon -
randy＠psg.com -
Susan R. Harris -
Tony Bates -
William B. Norton