RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)
Could you please clarify that comment? USF has made it possible for us to serve DSL to almost every customer in our exchanges. Frank -----Original Message----- From: Frank Bulk Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:50 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd) On Mar 13, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Daniel Senie wrote:
A universal service charge could be applied to all bills, with the funds going to subsidize rural areas.
This is already done in the U.S., to no discernible effect. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@cisco.com> // 408.527.6376 voice Words that come from a machine have no soul. -- Duong Van Ngo
On Mar 14, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:
USF has made it possible for us to serve DSL to almost every customer in our exchanges.
I'm glad to hear it - the reports of how that fund is (un)used are almost overwhelmingly negative, I'm glad some folks, somewhere are benefiting from it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@cisco.com> // 408.527.6376 voice Words that come from a machine have no soul. -- Duong Van Ngo
USF has made it possible for us to serve DSL to almost every customer in our exchanges.
I'm glad to hear it - the reports of how that fund is (un)used are almost overwhelmingly negative, I'm glad some folks, somewhere are benefiting from it.
There's a lot not to like about USF, notably the way it encourages rural telcos to gold-plate everything to increase their rate base, but it still does the same job it's done for the past 80 years or so, make phone service in the boondocks affordable. R's, John PS: My telco has about 8000 lines, but just in case we bave a population boom, their GTD-5 switch can expand to 100,000.
s/our exchanges/our urban exchanges/ And even then, not so much. I have cable or nothing, and I live in Fairfax Co. 41k line feet from my house to the exchange. In rural areas, most of the population far outside of DSL range. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <alaric@alaric.org.uk>
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:23 PM To: 'NANOG list' Subject: RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)
Could you please clarify that comment? USF has made it possible for us to serve DSL to almost every customer in our exchanges.
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: Frank Bulk Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:50 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)
On Mar 13, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Daniel Senie wrote:
A universal service charge could be applied to all bills, with the funds going to subsidize rural areas.
This is already done in the U.S., to no discernible effect.
-------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@cisco.com> // 408.527.6376 voice
Words that come from a machine have no soul.
-- Duong Van Ngo
Jamie: Who is your ILEC? If you look at Iowa, which has move than 150 independent telephone companies, the broadband penetration rate exceeds 90% http://www.state.ia.us/government/com/util/broadband.html Frank -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Bowden [mailto:jamie@photon.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:31 AM To: frnkblk@iname.com; NANOG list Subject: RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd) s/our exchanges/our urban exchanges/ And even then, not so much. I have cable or nothing, and I live in Fairfax Co. 41k line feet from my house to the exchange. In rural areas, most of the population far outside of DSL range. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <alaric@alaric.org.uk>
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:23 PM To: 'NANOG list' Subject: RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)
Could you please clarify that comment? USF has made it possible for us to serve DSL to almost every customer in our exchanges.
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: Frank Bulk Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:50 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)
On Mar 13, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Daniel Senie wrote:
A universal service charge could be applied to all bills, with the funds going to subsidize rural areas.
This is already done in the U.S., to no discernible effect.
-------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@cisco.com> // 408.527.6376 voice
Words that come from a machine have no soul.
-- Duong Van Ngo
Verizon. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <alaric@alaric.org.uk>
-----Original Message----- From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnkblk@iname.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:45 AM To: Jamie Bowden; NANOG list Subject: RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)
Jamie:
Who is your ILEC? If you look at Iowa, which has move than 150 independent telephone companies, the broadband penetration rate exceeds 90% http://www.state.ia.us/government/com/util/broadband.html
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: Jamie Bowden [mailto:jamie@photon.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:31 AM To: frnkblk@iname.com; NANOG list Subject: RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)
s/our exchanges/our urban exchanges/
And even then, not so much. I have cable or nothing, and I live in Fairfax Co. 41k line feet from my house to the exchange. In rural areas, most of the population far outside of DSL range.
Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <alaric@alaric.org.uk>
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:23 PM To: 'NANOG list' Subject: RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)
Could you please clarify that comment? USF has made it possible for us to serve DSL to almost every customer in our exchanges.
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: Frank Bulk Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:50 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)
On Mar 13, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Daniel Senie wrote:
A universal service charge could be applied to all bills, with the funds going to subsidize rural areas.
This is already done in the U.S., to no discernible effect.
-------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@cisco.com> // 408.527.6376 voice
Words that come from a machine have no soul.
-- Duong Van Ngo
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