On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Daniel Duffy wrote:

The whole story presents an entirely different picture...

Yes, below is the followup post I made to inet-access (but decided not to muddy nanog with, mainly because the people who seemed to be most interested were on inet-access). Also of note is that there have already been posts to inet-access that show jake.gull@qwest.com sending out the EXACT same spam that William Valentine sent, roughly two weeks ago. How could two different people, one a "senior account executive", one a "major account executive", send out the exact same spam within a span of two weeks, if it was not an official program? I nominate Qwest for the RBL... Andy -------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:22:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Dills <andy@xecu.net> To: <list@inet-access.net> cc: <joe@qwest.com> Subject: Full qwest thread Ok, in fairness, and based on the numerous requests for the full thread, below is the full correspondance between myself and the fine sales team at Qwest in California. Here is my reply to the first email (the full text of the email I replied to is quoted in each instance below): -- On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Valentine, William H wrote:

Who is your current network provider?

Will Valentine Qwest Communications Senior Account Executive 925-974-4953

You're a senior account executive, and you find spam acceptable? Man, talk about "trying to get your foot in the door only to realize that the door is your mouth". And to top it all off, you're rude about it! "Who is your current network provider?" Like a traceroute or route server won't tell you that information... Please supply me with the contact information for your supervisor. Andy <.sig removed> -- I didn't hear back from Will, but quoted below is my response to the initial, very acceptable reply I received from Jake: -- On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Gull, Jake R wrote:

Hey Andy just a short note to contact you in regards to Will Valentines email. Will is somewhat new to the industry, and is working hard to make exciting things happen here at Qwest. If Qwest can help you in any way please advise.

Thank you in advance,

Jake Gull Major Account Executive (925) 974-4924 Direct (925) 932-0599 Fax (413) 677-3789 E-Fax

Hahahaha...so, when you first start out, you're a 'senior account executive'. Cute. Andy <.sig removed> -- And then he replied with a simple "No reason to be rude", nothing more, nothing less. So here was my final reply, which was a bit over the top, I'll admit. What can I say, I was on a roll, I'm really sick of sales people emailing me, and let's face it, this is Qwest we're talking about: -- On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Gull, Jake R wrote:

No reason to be rude.

Ha! No reason to be so amazingly disengenuous either. "Senior Account Executive"...does that mean senior in high school? Or is it Qwest policy to make green sales droids "Senior Account Executives"? I find it way more likely that just like at McDonalds, "large" is really a "medium", and "super size" is "large"; "Senior Account Executive" means "Order Taker with spamming privs" and "Major Account Executive" means "Account Executive". I'm sure if I talk to the "Godlike Account Executive" I'll find an actual Senior Account Executive. I mean, seriously, call me when your company gets half a clue. I know your networking people might have a quarter of a clue between them (however you might want to let them know that fiber is useless without decent peering), so you'll really need to pick up the slack in sales. Andy -- And then, finally, the literary master that is Jake Gull replies: -- On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Gull, Jake R wrote:

Wow,

Pretty big words from a guy that is part owner of a "mom and pop" internet provider.. How many employees do you have this week? Ten? Eleven? The world is your oyster Andy go get em pal. It is pretty hilarious, when I contacted one of your employee's today and asked if Excunet was a publicly traded company, her reply, "what does that mean"? Where did you get that one Burger King? (I'll bet the rest of the Excunet gang is about as sharp as a marble) I was thinking of investing a $100. in your company, but I wouldn't want you sharp "data guru's" to mistake my action as a hostile takeover. Watch out Microsoft, Execunet is playing hardball. Hi from California, where the big dog's play. Just do me one favor Andy... STAY ON THE PORCH.

Have a super day.

And you do so as well. I'm in the process of forwarding your reply to inet-access, nanog, and your supervisors. Good luck in the unemployment line! Andy -- I'm personally not offended or bent out of shape; turn about is fair play. However, if _I_ found out that one of my representatives was emailing potential customers this way, there would be severe consequences. I mean, even if the content didn't piss me off, the poor grammar and format would. So, I thought I would pass it along ;> Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access