Seriously, though, there comes a point when you have to just trust in something. The chances of one's phone and palm both going out at the same time are fairly remote, I would expect.
Yes, paper has a 451F temperature problem, and palm pilots and cellphones have an EMP problem (not to mention a battery recharger problem). But my question wasn't about remembering the numbers. Assume some really experienced people are doing this stuff and will make sure the numbers are there and the message goes through, no matter what. Even if they have to send a messenger on foot to relay the messages like the Roman Empire. I know its difficult for engineers, but ignore the people behind the curtain. Who would you want to be able to call to bootstrap the system back up? Would you call CERT/CC? Or since they don't actually fix anything, is that a wasted call? Would you call Microsoft? Or since nothing critical on the Internet depends on their products, is that a wasted call? Nortan or Symantec? How about IANA/ICANN? CNN or AOL to say stay off the infobahn, accident and workers in the road ahead? Or instead of corporations, would you rather individuals be on the list? Is there any consensus, rough or otherwise, of Internet-specific resources the network operations community would like to have access? Ask now. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation
Or instead of corporations, would you rather individuals be on the list?
Is there any consensus, rough or otherwise, of Internet-specific resources the network operations community would like to have access? Ask now. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation
for me, critial path is: peers (those who, in tandem with me, deliver services) critical clients (better they learn from me than CNN) suppliers (most of the stuff can be handled in house, for those things we can change) media (yes, we know there is a problem, let us spin a tail for you) (Thats more like 25 numbers... :) YMMV. --bill
On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Sean Donelan wrote:
Yes, paper has a 451F temperature problem,
So go to your local newspaper and get some used aluminum press plates. Then inscribe the numbers on the plates with a dull stylus like a metal ball point pen.
Who would you want to be able to call to bootstrap the system back up?
Is there any consensus, rough or otherwise, of Internet-specific resources the network operations community would like to have access? Ask now.
If the Internet matters then there should be regional coordination centers that all ISPs should call. If the Internet doesn't matter then don't sweat the details. I think that a good start would be to phone all your peers and exchange additional direct dial phone numbers, preferably on different CLECs. For instance, get the home numbers or cell numbers of key people at the peer's NOC and give them your numbers. Next would be to call all your circuit providers and ask them what numbers to call in the event of a problem on New Years Day. They will all have set up some coordination facility to deal with such issues so talk them into giving you some numbers that will reach the facility. If they won't give you those numbers then find out who, within the telco, would be able to contact the cordination facility and get access numbers for those people. And contact the ARRL and ARES to find out what preparations are being made for emergency radio communication during the Y2K rollover. -- Michael Dillon - E-mail: michael@memra.com Check the website for my Internet World articles - http://www.memra.com
On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Michael Dillon wrote:
Next would be to call all your circuit providers and ask them what numbers to call in the event of a problem on New Years Day. They will all have set up some coordination facility to deal with such issues so talk them into giving you some numbers that will reach the facility. If they won't give you those numbers then find out who, within the telco, would be able to contact the cordination facility and get access numbers for those people.
I spent the day today calling and e-mailing my CLECs/RBOCs peers and providers. So far nobody has a plan to do much different on New Years Eve/Day. Some people are planning on extra staff. Several people had no idea if anyone in their company had given any thought to doing something different. A few of the larger companies did have "special" numbers setup for use for y2k problems/issues with their service. This did give me a change to update phone numbers, and contact names. ======================================================================= Michael Lucking Michael@Lucking.COM
Don't forget OFF-SITE backups in a Fire-Safe Facility of these important paper/magnetic/electronic (palm pilot, mag tape, optical storage,...) informations. At 05:16 PM 6/29/99 -0500, Sean Donelan wrote:
Seriously, though, there comes a point when you have to just trust in something. The chances of one's phone and palm both going out at the same time are fairly remote, I would expect.
Yes, paper has a 451F temperature problem, and palm pilots and cellphones have an EMP problem (not to mention a battery recharger problem). But my question wasn't about remembering the numbers. Assume some really experienced people are doing this stuff and will make sure the numbers are there and the message goes through, no matter what. Even if they have to send a messenger on foot to relay the messages like the Roman Empire. I know its difficult for engineers, but ignore the people behind the curtain.
Who would you want to be able to call to bootstrap the system back up?
Would you call CERT/CC? Or since they don't actually fix anything, is that a wasted call?
Would you call Microsoft? Or since nothing critical on the Internet depends on their products, is that a wasted call?
Nortan or Symantec? How about IANA/ICANN? CNN or AOL to say stay off the infobahn, accident and workers in the road ahead?
Or instead of corporations, would you rather individuals be on the list?
Is there any consensus, rough or otherwise, of Internet-specific resources the network operations community would like to have access? Ask now. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation
--- Alan Spicer (NIC Handle: AGS14) Systems Administration - Tech Support www.eBIZnet.com,inc. Free Sites Gateway: http://www.websgreatesthits.com/greaturls/gateway.html
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