I'd use the mae-west list for this, but several people have said that they're not getting messages on that list. This graph: http://www.mfst.com/MAE/west.mfs.overlay.html is showing what appears to be hard saturation. But it is at way below what I thought the saturation speed of FDDI is. Has anyone gotten a good answer as to what is broken there? -matthew kaufman matthew@scruz.net