It seems that several providers are filtering on the above /24 space. EPOCH is one of them The common point is PB-NAP But I don't know if its the fabric at PB-NAP, if its PacBell Internet, or if its various providers at PB-NAP..... I wouldn't think that PB-NAP would filter, but I am at a loss, and haven't been able to get a reply from either party. PacBell Internet could be the problem as they had some static routes in there system while we where a customer. They swear they never did, but the clueless NOC monkeys wouldn't know a static if it bit them on there dynamic..... I also don't think its PBI, as PBI != PB-NAP, Right? Several of our clients are having problems getting to sites by using this /24. jmbrown@ihighway.net